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alex_suzuki ◴[] No.35413018[source]
Italy really knows how to focus on what’s really important to address challenges like high unemployment and weak economy.
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borroka ◴[] No.35413140[source]
It is a very poor argument and ignores the fact that the lives of people, institutions and countries are not just about (the very important) jobs and economics.

I, who have lived in the United States for decades, cringe when English words are used instead of those of my native language to give a sense of respectability to those words.

A global culture and a world homogenized in ways of living is a much less interesting world.

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version_five ◴[] No.35413279[source]
Culture can still thrive without being nationalist or traditionalist or whatever you call it.

What would people think if there was an american movement to stop using foreign loan words in English because they're diluting our culture?

I live in Quebec, Canada, where there is extreme policing of the French language, including various unconstitutional legislation to "preserve" French (the Canadian constitution has an override clause). It's a purely populist measure that does nothing for culture. I find it ironic but typical how much Quebec focuses on superficial cultural aspects (language) while hardly engaging at all with real questions of celebrating heritage - and other than the language, the culture is way closer to english canada than anything European.

Anyway, these language things are shallow populist measures to whip up a base, they're not about serious stewardship of cultural identity.

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1. borroka ◴[] No.35413407[source]
According to this comment, we should (just) accept that English, in a generation or two, will become some sort of world language with no interest in the preservation of other languages and cultures associated with those cultures.

This is a bit provocative, but while we are there, we could also tear down the Colosseum, the Forum too since it is all rubbish, and build instead offices, or residential communities because who cares about those old buildings and "nationalists" and "traditionalists" or "whatever you want to call it".

There is often this idea that if you do one thing, you cannot do another, like there is some trade-offs between the use of the local language on official documents and the management of museums. But most of the time, there are no trade-offs, and the two actions are independent.

>> "What would people think if there was an american movement to stop using foreign loan words in English because they're diluting our culture?"

I am generally in favor. I mean, better to hear "ham" than "proskiuto" anyway.

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2. thesuperbigfrog ◴[] No.35413694[source]
>> better to hear "ham" than "proskiuto" anyway.

Ham and prosciutto are very different foods.

If words come from another language and mean different things, let those words exist as they are. If a new native word is created from the foreign word, that is okay. That is how languages grow and evolve.

The law in question just says official documents and communications must be in Italian which makes perfect sense in Italy.