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Reliability: It’s not great

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1226 points bishopsmother | 12 comments | 06 Mar 23 17:47 UTC | HN request time: 1.642s | source | bottom
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samwillis ◴[06 Mar 23 19:38 UTC] No.35046486[source]▶
Fundamentally I think some of the problems come down to the difference between what Fly set out to build and what the market currently want.

Fly (to my understanding) at its core is about edge compute. That is where they started and what the team are most excited about developing. It's a brilliant idea, they have the skills and expertise. They are going to be successful at it.

However, at the same time the market is looking for a successor to Heroku. A zero dev ops PAAS with instant deployment, dirt simple managed Postgres, generous free level of service, lower cost as you scale, and a few regions around the world. That isn't what Fly set out to do... exactly, but is sort of the market they find themselves in when Heroku then basically told its low value customers to go away.

It's that slight miss alignment of strategy and market fit that results in maybe decisions being made that benefit the original vision, but not necessarily the immediate influx of customers.

I don't envy the stress the Fly team are under, but what an exciting set of problems they are trying to solve, I do envy that!

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ec109685 ◴[06 Mar 23 20:15 UTC] No.35046953[source]▶
The CloudFlare folks wrote a good blog post on how they are seeing their customers use Edge compute — latency is far down on the list: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-workers-serverless-we...
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fmajid ◴[06 Mar 23 20:29 UTC] No.35047122[source]▶
The US CLOUD Act means a EU customer cannot use a US cloud provider to host PII, even if the server itself is physically in the EU, because US law will still compel the provider to yield the data to US authorities. The European Commission is trying to paper over the cracks with a fig leaf of judicial review, but it's only a matter of time until a Schrems III decision from the CJEU invalidates that polite fiction.
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LunaSea ◴[06 Mar 23 20:40 UTC] No.35047259[source]▶
The amount of EU companies following this law is exactly 0.
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e12e ◴[06 Mar 23 21:16 UTC] No.35047724[source]▶
This simply isn't true. At least not for EEC(Norway).
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1. LunaSea ◴[06 Mar 23 22:48 UTC] No.35048892[source]▶
I have never seen a company without Google Search, Google Chrome, AWS, Microsoft 360 and the lot.

Which alternatives are they based on?

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2. fcantournet ◴[06 Mar 23 23:16 UTC] No.35049234[source]▶
Those would not contain PII from your users though, unless you have terrible policies about copying personal information in random Google Docs.
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3. cavisne ◴[07 Mar 23 01:55 UTC] No.35050527[source]▶
Companies have to guess what is PII and what is not, the EU have no idea (other than they know which companies they want to punish)
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4. e12e ◴[07 Mar 23 07:28 UTC] No.35052578{3}[source]▶
The GDPR is quite clear on defining PII, I don't understand why you would claim otherwise?
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5. LunaSea ◴[07 Mar 23 08:25 UTC] No.35052972[source]▶
All of these will absolutely contain PII every time.
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6. fmajid ◴[07 Mar 23 10:57 UTC] No.35053935{4}[source]▶
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” — Upton Sinclair
7. arnorhs ◴[07 Mar 23 12:49 UTC] No.35054717[source]▶
So there is nothing in eu laws preventing you from opting into using these services. What _is_ prohibited is having a EU based product/service where your users are not aware that by using a service their data will be stored under us jurisdiction.

That is not the same as using us based products

8. tpxl ◴[07 Mar 23 12:58 UTC] No.35054798{3}[source]▶
Nice bit of FUD you got there.

You can use Google Search and be 100% compliant, because Google doesn't see any customer data. Google chrome isn't even a service, I can't imagine how you'd manage to stick customer data in there.

And if you think there are no companies without AWS and Microsoft 360, you need to expand your horizon. I work for one such company, and so do many of my peers.

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9. dividedbyzero ◴[07 Mar 23 13:14 UTC] No.35054944{4}[source]▶
There are also lots of companies that use AWS etc. for everything but customer PII and keep that in some SAP system on-prem.
10. LunaSea ◴[07 Mar 23 13:24 UTC] No.35055024{4}[source]▶
Google Chrome through telemetry and account history synchronisation which log PII in URLs and searched.

Google Search will see PII go by if your marketing team is researching leads on LinkedIn for example.

> And if you think there are no companies without AWS and Microsoft 360, you need to expand your horizon. I work for one such company, and so do many of my peers.

And that's great.

What is the services stack your company is implementing?

What kind of alternatives do you use for your email, browser, centralised data storage, etc. ?

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11. tpxl ◴[08 Mar 23 11:25 UTC] No.35067720{5}[source]▶
I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or you said 'AWS' and 'Microsoft 360' and meant cloud and managed email.

> What kind of alternatives do you use for your email, browser, centralised data storage, etc. ?

There are plenty of browser alternatives (firefox, safari, vivaldi, even chromium).

There are dozens if not hundreds of email providers, and you can even provide your own.

You can 'centralize data storage' on disks on hardware you own, on premises or colocated. You could even use one of the dozens to hundreds of managed service and cloud providers.

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12. LunaSea ◴[08 Mar 23 16:12 UTC] No.35070795{6}[source]▶
> I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or you said 'AWS' and 'Microsoft 360' and meant cloud and managed email.

I meant both clouds and managed email / storages services.

> safari

Don't both Firefox and Safari have telemetry and various ping back services?

> There are dozens if not hundreds of email providers, and you can even provide your own.

> You can 'centralize data storage' on disks on hardware you own, on premises or colocated. You could even use one of the dozens to hundreds of managed service and cloud providers.

Sure you can, I'm just saying that it is rarely if ever done in medium to large companies.