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samwillis ◴[] No.35046486[source]
Fundamentally I think some of the problems come down to the difference between what Fly set out to build and what the market currently want.

Fly (to my understanding) at its core is about edge compute. That is where they started and what the team are most excited about developing. It's a brilliant idea, they have the skills and expertise. They are going to be successful at it.

However, at the same time the market is looking for a successor to Heroku. A zero dev ops PAAS with instant deployment, dirt simple managed Postgres, generous free level of service, lower cost as you scale, and a few regions around the world. That isn't what Fly set out to do... exactly, but is sort of the market they find themselves in when Heroku then basically told its low value customers to go away.

It's that slight miss alignment of strategy and market fit that results in maybe decisions being made that benefit the original vision, but not necessarily the immediate influx of customers.

I don't envy the stress the Fly team are under, but what an exciting set of problems they are trying to solve, I do envy that!

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ec109685 ◴[] No.35046953[source]
The CloudFlare folks wrote a good blog post on how they are seeing their customers use Edge compute — latency is far down on the list: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-workers-serverless-we...
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fmajid ◴[] No.35047122[source]
The US CLOUD Act means a EU customer cannot use a US cloud provider to host PII, even if the server itself is physically in the EU, because US law will still compel the provider to yield the data to US authorities. The European Commission is trying to paper over the cracks with a fig leaf of judicial review, but it's only a matter of time until a Schrems III decision from the CJEU invalidates that polite fiction.
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LunaSea ◴[] No.35047259[source]
The amount of EU companies following this law is exactly 0.
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1. speedgoose ◴[] No.35047435[source]
It’s not true. I know people who lost contracts because they were using Azure and the customer wanted to respect the law.
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2. LunaSea ◴[] No.35048957[source]
I've talked with companies like that as well and they start with strict rules and end up allowing clouds because no solution is compliant anyway.
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3. speedgoose ◴[] No.35053496[source]
I guess it works when you don't have any compliant competitor.
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4. LunaSea ◴[] No.35053815{3}[source]
That is exactly the problem at hand.

It's a combination of low to no enforcement, competitivity-killing laws and unrealistic efforts for said companies to take on.

5. fmajid ◴[] No.35053923{3}[source]
Hetzner or OVH would be compliant.
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6. di4na ◴[] No.35054095{3}[source]
Yep. The real question is how long until we get one.

Scaleway seems to go in the right direction but still a bit of work needed

7. LunaSea ◴[] No.35054236{4}[source]
They are however far from service parity with AWS, Azure and GCP.

I can't speak for Hetzner but OVH has also availability issues.