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mmastrac ◴[] No.34713024[source]
It's a great story, but it's all unsourced and could be a decent Tom Clancy story at best. You could probably write a similar one with Russia or German agents as the key players and be just as convincing.

The only anchor in reality appears to be Biden suggesting that they knew how to take it out which seems like a pretty weak place to build a large story.

What I find particularly odd is that this entire thing appears to be based on a single, unnamed source "with direct knowledge of the operational planning".

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rsync ◴[] No.34713618[source]
"You could probably write a similar one with Russia ..."

I disagree - there is no credible motive here for Russia and, in fact, the outcome was directly opposed to every outcome they are, or were trying, to achieve.

Not only do I, as a US citizen, believe that the US perpetrated this act but further: I believe it is an overtly hostile action against EU citizens and, particularly, Germans, who will suffer the most economically.

EU states are now buying US natural gas like we always wanted them to. How much pain and suffering were we willing to inflict to make that happen ?

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LarryMullins ◴[] No.34713761[source]
> I believe it is an overtly hostile action against EU citizens and, particularly, Germans, who will suffer the most economically.

In the scenario where America did it, I think there is a strong argument to be made that it was in the long-term interests of EU citizens, despite causing them some short-term discomfort. They never should have started this pipeline project in the first place, buying energy from Russia made the EU weak. Breaking that relationship permanently will make the EU stronger.

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nostromo123 ◴[] No.34716384[source]
America "doing things in the long-term interests of EU citizens, despite causing them some short-term discomfort" is exactly why the US is seen as the baddy in a lot of countries. We are not your children to be nannied and taken decisions on behalf of!
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tiahura ◴[] No.34717666[source]
We are not your children to be nannied and taken decisions on behalf of!

Until you can defend yourselves, you are.

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brmgb ◴[] No.34721966[source]
We do have nukes you know. Feel free to pack up, go home and never come back. Would be the best thing to ever happen to Europe.

Honestly Europe would be far more peaceful now without NATO. The US has mostly been a destabilising force for the past three decades.

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1. LarryMullins ◴[] No.34727607[source]
> We do have nukes you know.

The only nukes Germany has are those that America charitably allows Germany to borrow. If Germany grew up like UK and France and bought/made their own toys, then maybe Germany would find itself to have more autonomy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing

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2. brmgb ◴[] No.34727974[source]
Most definitely. I am French by the way but I think the French nuclear umbrella can be extended to the EU at least somewhat.