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mmastrac ◴[] No.34713024[source]
It's a great story, but it's all unsourced and could be a decent Tom Clancy story at best. You could probably write a similar one with Russia or German agents as the key players and be just as convincing.

The only anchor in reality appears to be Biden suggesting that they knew how to take it out which seems like a pretty weak place to build a large story.

What I find particularly odd is that this entire thing appears to be based on a single, unnamed source "with direct knowledge of the operational planning".

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rsync ◴[] No.34713618[source]
"You could probably write a similar one with Russia ..."

I disagree - there is no credible motive here for Russia and, in fact, the outcome was directly opposed to every outcome they are, or were trying, to achieve.

Not only do I, as a US citizen, believe that the US perpetrated this act but further: I believe it is an overtly hostile action against EU citizens and, particularly, Germans, who will suffer the most economically.

EU states are now buying US natural gas like we always wanted them to. How much pain and suffering were we willing to inflict to make that happen ?

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letrowekwel ◴[] No.34714514[source]
As an EU citizen living next to Russia I can assure you, I'm DELIGHTED that people can no longer buy gas from a mass murderer like Putin. Anyone who buys gas from Russia is essentially supporting genocide of Ukrainian civilians, if suffering is what we're talking about.

Besides, things are going on pretty okay. Electricity prices are stabilizing and Europe will eventually become greener as well. No matter who did it, blowing up the pipeline was a good thing.

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ghostwriter ◴[] No.34715320[source]
> Anyone who buys gas from Russia is essentially supporting genocide of Ukrainian civilians, if suffering is what we're talking about.

Weekly snapshot: Russian fossil fuel exports 16 to 22 January 2023:

* The week of 16 to 22 January 2023, the EU was the largest importer of Russian fossil fuels.

* The EU imported pipeline gas, oil products and LNG, as well as crude oil via pipeline or rail.

* The top five EU importer countries last week were the Netherlands, Slovakia, Germany, Belgium and Italy. [1]

[1] https://energyandcleanair.org/weekly-snapshot-russian-fossil...

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dralley ◴[] No.34719079[source]
And yet, the situation has drastically changed from one year ago. Russian gas went from being 50% of EU gas imports to 10%.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/eu-gas-suppl...

https://www.bbc.com/news/58888451

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1. ghostwriter ◴[] No.34722271[source]
> Russian gas went from being 50% of EU gas imports to 10%.

That's expected as there's no longer the pipelines everyone is discussing in this comment section.

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2. welterde ◴[] No.34722537[source]
The second string of NS2 is undamaged (but denied operation from the German side). In addition Russia there are several land-based pipelines from Russia to central Europe (only used for small volumes at this point - much below capacity).