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“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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688 points hunglee2 | 6 comments | 08 Feb 23 12:50 UTC | HN request time: 1.248s | source | bottom
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mmastrac ◴[08 Feb 23 19:03 UTC] No.34713024[source]▶
It's a great story, but it's all unsourced and could be a decent Tom Clancy story at best. You could probably write a similar one with Russia or German agents as the key players and be just as convincing.

The only anchor in reality appears to be Biden suggesting that they knew how to take it out which seems like a pretty weak place to build a large story.

What I find particularly odd is that this entire thing appears to be based on a single, unnamed source "with direct knowledge of the operational planning".

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rsync ◴[08 Feb 23 19:35 UTC] No.34713618[source]▶
"You could probably write a similar one with Russia ..."

I disagree - there is no credible motive here for Russia and, in fact, the outcome was directly opposed to every outcome they are, or were trying, to achieve.

Not only do I, as a US citizen, believe that the US perpetrated this act but further: I believe it is an overtly hostile action against EU citizens and, particularly, Germans, who will suffer the most economically.

EU states are now buying US natural gas like we always wanted them to. How much pain and suffering were we willing to inflict to make that happen ?

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1. MilaM ◴[08 Feb 23 20:52 UTC] No.34714918[source]▶
As a German citizen let me tell you, hardly anyone here is angry that the pipelines are gone. No one is even talking about Nord Stream anymore. When Gazprom stopped the gas flows in July 2022, it was abundandly clear, that the deliveries would not resume in the foreseable future. In a way, blowing up the pipelines made things easier, because the government and the industry could fully focus on reorganizing energy procurement, without being needlessly entangled in hypothetical discussions about what could have been. Even if Russia wanted to resume selling gas to Western Europe sometime in the future, there is still plenty of capacity in the remaining pipelines through Belarus and Poland, as well as Ukraine. They are fully operational and currently either not used at all (Yamal pipeline), or operating at a very low capacity (Transgas).
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2. 0xDEF ◴[08 Feb 23 21:21 UTC] No.34715364[source]▶
I am Danish. Half the country was making fart jokes about the leak. Nobody is missing the Nord Stream pipelines.
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3. brmgb ◴[09 Feb 23 10:22 UTC] No.34721958[source]▶
I'm French and I'm missing the Nord Stream pipelines. We need all the supply lanes we can get even if our neighbours are untrustworthy.

Now we have to rely on the US and there is nothing worse than relying on the US. Europe just showed once again it failed to learn anything from the Suez crisis. The US should never be trusted. They are not a reliable and only care about themselves.

Europe has been mismanaging its relationship with the BRIC since the end of the Cold War. We are too dependent on NATO. Not that there is much to expect from the EU. Every addition since 1995 has only weakened it.

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4. 0xDEF ◴[09 Feb 23 10:40 UTC] No.34722081{3}[source]▶
Europe couldn't even stop Little Russia (Serbia) from genociding Bonsian Muslims and Kosovo-Albanians until the US-led NATO intervention had to put a stop to it twice.

Also Norway can replace a lot of the Russian gas supplies.

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5. brmgb ◴[09 Feb 23 12:57 UTC] No.34723255{4}[source]▶
If your justification of NATO is their entirely illigetimate and overall worthless intervention in Kosovo, I don't think we will ever see eye to eye. The bombings were highly destructive and didn't solve anything. The war stopped when Russia urged Milošević to surrender after a lot of diplomatic negotiations.
6. BlueTemplar ◴[10 Feb 23 01:01 UTC] No.34734191[source]▶
You have first heard it here folks, a pseudonymous source confirming that it was the Germans that blew up the pipelines !

(just kidding :p)