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charcircuit ◴[] No.33579956[source]
Looking at the comment section it seems that people struggle to understand how it works and thinks it is literally copying parts of people's images.

Educating people about such a technical topic seems very difficult especially since people get emotional of their work being used.

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kadoban ◴[] No.33580089[source]
It's worse than copying parts of images, it's replacing artists.

I know because I'm literally working on setting up Dreambooth to do what I'd otherwise have to pay an artist to do.

And not only is it replacing artists, it's using their own work to do so. None of these could exist without being trained on the original artwork.

Surely you can imagine why they're largely not happy?

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toomuchtodo ◴[] No.33580251[source]
No one is happy when technology renders them obsolete or drives the marginal cost of what they produce to zero.
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6gvONxR4sf7o ◴[] No.33580415[source]
Traditionally technology renders people obsolete because the technologists figure out how to do something better than those people. Nobody's happy when it comes for them, but that's life. Someone invents the camera, and art is changed forever.

In this case, technologists figured out how to exploit people's work without compensating them. A camera is possible without the artists it replaces. Generative modeling is not. It's fundamentally different.

If people figured out how to generate this kind of art without exploiting uncompensated unwilling artists' free labor, it would be a different story.

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1. bugfix-66 ◴[] No.33580536[source]
Thank you for saying it.

We're surrounded by people who don't understand what's happening. They seem to think some kind of art intelligence has been invented.

No, it's the aggregation and interpolation of vast amounts of existing art.

The same thing is happening with software, through Microsoft's Copilot:

https://bugfix-66.com/7a82559a13b39c7fa404320c14f47ce0c304fa...

I think people just don't understand what they're seeing. They have no idea what it is.

They think it's really "intelligence", dreaming and imagining and simulating and feeling and experimenting and...

It's none of these things. It's a sophisticated interpolation, not so different from linear interpolation:

  a*x + (1-a)*y
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2. visarga ◴[] No.33580604[source]
Memes (in the sense Dawkins used) have found easier replication into this new medium. Rather than jumping from brain to brain, with the intermediate step of writing, our old memes now replicate by language model. They do meaningful work when deployed without a human in the loop.

I think both humans and AI without training are stupid. Take a human alone, raised alone, without culture. He/she will be closer to animals than humans. It's the culture that is the locus of intelligence and we're borrowing intelligence from it just like the AIs.

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3. jjcon ◴[] No.33581076[source]
> It's a sophisticated interpolation, not so different from linear interpolation: a*x + (1-a)*y

These algorithms are specifically non-linear a far cry from ‘linear interpolation’ unless you want to water down the meaning of interpolation to be so generic it loses its meaning.

Having said all that - the sophistication of the algorithm is beyond the point here as long as what they are generating is substantially transformative (which >99% of the possible outputs are legally speaking).

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4. creata ◴[] No.33581727[source]
> water down the meaning of interpolation to be so generic it loses its meaning.

"Interpolation" was always a very generic word.

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5. Garlef ◴[] No.33581731[source]
Lovely perspective. Esp. the first point.
6. jjcon ◴[] No.33586077{3}[source]
If it is interpolation what kind of interpolation is it? Linear? Bilinear? Nearest Neighbor? Lanczos? No… because it isn’t and doesn’t resemble anything close to interpolation.

They even gave a linear equation in their example… again not even close. If we can call what these algorithms do interpolation - we can call what humans do interpolation too - it makes the word that meaningless