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jrm4 ◴[] No.32641533[source]
I find that it's always interesting to THEN consider, okay -- while there's no centralized board or anything -- what does e.g. American censorship go after?
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cdot2 ◴[] No.32641558[source]
Anything you can think of you will be able to find that content. We simply don't have the kind of censorship that China has. Comparing the two is ridiculous.
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1. jrm4 ◴[] No.32641625[source]
Your second sentence is absolutely correct, the others are not.

Easy example: compare the Marvel "Civil War" comics to the movies. The former was critical of the military in a way that could not happen in any big blockbuster movie.

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2. hackeraccount ◴[] No.32641695[source]
The argument would be that you can find critical views of the military - just not in a blockbuster movie.

The question is why the people making the content in the US and China don't want to certain content. Is it because they're worried it won't be popular or because they're worried that it will be popular.

I can't prove anything (how would you?) but I tend to think in the U.S. it's the former and in the China the later.

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3. rhcom2 ◴[] No.32641813[source]
Avatar is one of the biggest grossing movies of all time with a plot critical of the military and imperialism.
4. Jtsummers ◴[] No.32641825[source]
> The argument would be that you can find critical views of the military - just not in a blockbuster movie.

You can, in fact, have critical views of the military in blockbuster movies in the US. But not if you want to use US military bases and aircraft and ships as sets for those movies, or to get support of the US military in making the movie. Depending on the particular movie, this could be a make-or-break deal for them (Top Gun, for instance, would be pretty shitty with stock footage of US aircraft carriers and aircraft instead of actual footage staged for the movie).

5. banannaise ◴[] No.32641845[source]
Right. Censorship is accomplished economically. The government doesn't ban content; it simply is the only legal owner of military hardware in the country, and will allow near-unlimited use of that hardware for content that promotes the military; that hardware is entirely unavailable for content critical of the military.

Is this better than explicit censorship? That's more of an open question.

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6. egypturnash ◴[] No.32641891[source]
I have heard that if you criticize the US military in your film then they won’t let you borrow tanks and other resources for it. If your film glorifies the US military then they will happily give you tons of resources for your movie, up to and including piles of money.

This is not outright government censorship - you can still make a picture that says “the US military sucks” - but it certainly has an effect on big-budget films that want every dollar they can get.

7. S201 ◴[] No.32641892[source]
> The former was critical of the military in a way that could not happen in any big blockbuster movie.

It most certainly "could" be made as there is nothing preventing a studio from doing so if they wanted to. It may not be commercially viable and thus it would not get green-lit by a studio but that's a world away from the government explicitly forbidding it.

8. agentdrtran ◴[] No.32641933[source]
the kind of censorship that happens when you're building a multibillion dollar tent pole franchise for the entire planet is different.
9. agentdrtran ◴[] No.32641946[source]
I think it's pretty inarguably better? The alternative is never being allowed to be critical of the military at all. You don't need an f-35 or a tank for a documentary on American war crimes.
10. cdot2 ◴[] No.32641961[source]
You have to really stretch the meaning of censorship for that to count
11. Jtsummers ◴[] No.32642020[source]
> that hardware is entirely unavailable for content critical of the military.

It's not directly available. As in, you can't film on a US naval vessel or on a US military base without their support. Stock footage or footage from public spaces are allowed. You may also be able to get the support of another country or make use of mothballed or otherwise decommissioned systems if you have the right connections and money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson_Tide_(film)

Used footage of the real USS Alabama, used a decommissioned (and sold-off) submarine, and a French aircraft carrier.

12. buscoquadnary ◴[] No.32642305[source]
What? Plenty of movies are super critical of the military and the 3 letter agencies in tons of ways, heck there is a whole genre out there about Government military agent realizes he's doing bad things and goes rogue to correct those misdeeds.

Then you've got things like Full Metal Jacket, which I don't think is getting anyone to sign up for the forces.

Like Top Gun did well recently, but is one of the only movies I can think of in the past couple of years that actually portrayed the US military in a mostly positive light rather than the usual gamut which runs from ineffective bumbling ossfied and useless to straight up evil.

I'm just saying you can make whatever you want in the US and portray pretty much any idea or theme, that doesn't mean people will like it, but you can make it. In China there is no similar comparison they'll take your studio at best or imprison you at worst.

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13. jrm4 ◴[] No.32642573[source]
I don't think so. I think it's in tons of ways except those that would really call into question the whole thing. Which is to say -- I think that to the extent that "the Military" controls its image, it's smart enough to include just enough problematic stuff.

So the ones that seem "anti-Military" are really "anti-traitors-in-the-Military," and/or the healthy kind of self-criticism.

14. CrispinS ◴[] No.32642710[source]
I agree with your last sentence, but on the subject of positive portrayals of US armed forces, the studios actually have an incentive to play nice. The DoD will let film productions use real equipment and personal, but only after vetting the script and making changes as they see fit.

For example, the Transformers movies: https://www.wired.com/2008/12/pentagon-holl-1/

The general concept: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-entertainment_compl...

15. WillPostForFood ◴[] No.32646722[source]
Apocalypse Now, a film intended to be anti-war, used Philippine military equipment to stand in for American hardware.

Honestly, with the ubiquity of CGI in film, whether the military choses to participate in a film is hardly a barrier to making a movie.