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The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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1680 points etbusch | 2 comments | 19 May 22 12:19 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
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post_break ◴[19 May 22 13:10 UTC] No.31434156[source]▶
Will board schematics be available for repairs? Something Louis has been asking for.
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nrp ◴[19 May 22 13:23 UTC] No.31434306[source]▶
We recently released the subset of schematics that we were able to. Louis did a recent video on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cJj8PUY0DU
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post_break ◴[19 May 22 13:36 UTC] No.31434455[source]▶
When you say able to, do you mean a vendor is holding you back from releasing more? No problem if you can't answer. Sorry my question was for this new laptop, I did see you guys released the one for the previous one which is awesome.
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varispeed ◴[19 May 22 14:01 UTC] No.31434768[source]▶
It's likely that the schematics cannot be copyrighted, which means once they are released anyone can spin up their own boards.

You could probably see a flood of cheap Chinese motherboards or entire laptop knock offs.

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post_break ◴[19 May 22 14:32 UTC] No.31435163[source]▶
If that were the case we'd see macbook motherboards, since Louis is able to get entire board schematics.
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1. varispeed ◴[19 May 22 15:13 UTC] No.31435760[source]▶
I don't think what Louis has are full schematics. You could probably reverse engineer board view into a schematic, but from what I saw in his videos there was a lot of missing information - but enough to conduct a repair. That being said - even if Apple has released a full schematic, without datasheets for the parts made specifically for Apple, you wouldn't get an idea of operation of certain bits, so it could be difficult to replace these with off the shelf components.
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2. post_break ◴[19 May 22 15:23 UTC] No.31435892[source]▶
You are going in circles. I ask if they will have schematics for repairs, he says they do, you chime in saying "if they release schematics anyone can build a board", I tell you that Louis has even more detailed schematics for macbooks, and now you're saying those aren't schematics... can we just agree on something, I'm asking if they will have whatever you call the things so you can look up traces, components, voltages, to repair a board?

All I'm asking is if they will be releasing schematics/board views/whatever they are called for this laptop.