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181 points feraligators | 3 comments | | HN request time: 0s | source

I've long considered leaving this country for a multitude of reasons.

I'd be curious to hear some first hand experiences of those who've made the move to Europe and what you think of the process and considerations one should make.

A few questions to start the conversation:

- Where do you live?

- What's the biggest sacrifice you had to make (i.e. pay, housing, friends, etc.)

- What have you gained?

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blunte ◴[] No.30073883[source]
Netherlands, 10 years now. Actually ready to move on… Portugal, Malta, Thailand, perhaps spending 1-6 months at a time in a given location.

Gave up my car and driving frequently. Fantabulous gift of freedom not having to deal with traffic and car management. Public transport is a gift, and taxis or very short term car rental programs are a fine fallback.

Gave up some income as salaries are annoying much lower and taxes are much higher. But quality of life, depending on where you go, is much higher.

Get rid of as much of your possessions as you can. You can re-buy what you really need, and with more great activities available (non-COVID times) you spend less time at home needing stuff. Also apartments are smaller, so you don’t want to be crowded with stuff.

My first 5 years were in Amsterdam area, and it’s really fun. So many great social options, including for nerds (lots of tech meetups, often with free pizza and beer :) ). Plenty of bars and clubs and restaurants. Most restaurants are underwhelming and overpriced, so that’s not the attraction… but it provides social options.

If you’re American, it’s incredibly easy to set up residence in Netherlands based on the DAFT agreement. Look it up.

Portugal and Malta have visa programs for freelancers and people who can show that they have reliable income from outside sources. Lisbon is pretty great with much better food on average than Amsterdam. And much better climate.

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1. bogomipz ◴[] No.30080031[source]
I'd be curious what is prompting you to leave? I think the Malta and Portugal Golden visas are quite expensive though no?
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2. blunte ◴[] No.30080707[source]
Netherlands is worth spending a year or few in, but the winter weather is dismal wet and dark. Amsterdam is pretty expensive for rent, and with remote work it doesn’t make sense to live there unless you have a circle of friends you want to be near. Plus, the world is large and interesting… time to continue my exploration.

Malta has an actual digital nomad visa which costs something like 300 eur.

Portugal has a D7 visa which is a bit more complicated to setup than Malta (partly because Malta has English as an official language).

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3. jacquesm ◴[] No.30148472[source]
Ironically, one of the reasons Amsterdam rents are so high is because of expats willing to pay ridiculously high rents.