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181 points feraligators | 1 comments | | HN request time: 0.332s | source

I've long considered leaving this country for a multitude of reasons.

I'd be curious to hear some first hand experiences of those who've made the move to Europe and what you think of the process and considerations one should make.

A few questions to start the conversation:

- Where do you live?

- What's the biggest sacrifice you had to make (i.e. pay, housing, friends, etc.)

- What have you gained?

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thegypsyking ◴[] No.30073194[source]
I did the opposite and found the us much better. Pay and opportunities are infinitely better, people are friendlier, having a car is much easier and more convenient.
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jfk13 ◴[] No.30073285[source]
> Pay and opportunities are infinitely better

...if you're lucky enough to be among the privileged.

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nexuist ◴[] No.30073801[source]
Living in America is by definition a privileged position. Largest military in the world guarantees either the country survives anything or the world undergoes nuclear Armageddon (and even then the tax man is still coming to your door).
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lm28469 ◴[] No.30073866[source]
> Living in America is by definition a privileged position

Low income Americans have it much worse than low income Europeans on probably every single metric you can come up with.

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harpersealtako ◴[] No.30074138[source]
Really? I was under the impression that even the average person living in a poor European country (e.g. Moldova, Belarus, Kosovo) has a worse quality of life in most ways compared to, for example, someone living in a rural trailer park in Mississippi (an especially poor state) making minimum wage. What are some notable examples?
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lm28469 ◴[] No.30075182[source]
European Union countries*

For basic things like vacations, parental leaves, access to basic healthcare, &c.

I've seen skidrow in LA and some parts of SF and NY, this is third world country tier, it looked like war times refugees camps

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1. harpersealtako ◴[] No.30078365[source]
Funnily enough, if you want to talk about LA and SF and NY, all of those places have free healthcare for the poorest citizens as well as paid family leave.

And there are absolutely places as bad if not worse than skid row in the European Union. e.g. Romani ghettos. Are we talking about the REALLY poor poor people, or just ordinary, say, 10th-percentile-level poverty? Are we comparing Skid Row in Los Angeles to Fakulteta in Sofia, Bulgaria? Or are we comparing poor trailer park minimum wage life in Alabama to poor rural minimum wage work in Romania?

And of course all this assumes "normal" full time salaried wage work for a large corporation, unless you want to add in seasonal labor or subsistence agriculture or running your own business or family-owned business work or unpaid internships or apprenticeships or contract work or gig economy work and whether any of those count as poor and whether it counts to say they do or don't have certain benefits under what conditions.

Also, just checking, but are we counting US territories (e.g. Puerto Rico)? That might change my opinion.