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germandiago ◴[] No.29829418[source]
This is the sad truth of places like Cuba or North Korea. Everything is forbidden to the point that eating is difficult. So people get corrupted and the guards, etc. just want their part.

None of those things should be illegal. It is really annoying to see how a leader class kills people of hunger and make everything illegal so that now everyone is a criminal for trying to survive.

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FredPret ◴[] No.29829520[source]
Communism is taxes and government regulation gone mad
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thechao ◴[] No.29829740[source]
Communism is the ownership of the means of production by the workers. You're talking about about an out-of-control regulatory state; maybe one with an authoritarian bent?
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germandiago ◴[] No.29829800[source]
He is talking about the history of communism or socialism towards a communism system anywhere it has been applied.

That system you define there just exists in your head. It is not possible. It is like pretending the existence of unicorns. The real one every time ends up in an authoritarian regime.

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beepbooptheory ◴[] No.29830165[source]
I mean... if you can't believe in something that hasn't yet existed, how does anything come to be at all? Or do you deny that there is any theoretical thought behind communism at all? Is it just something people suddenly found themselves doing, and it failed and that was that?

How does someone dream of things that are better? How can you have faith in anything at all? Is not the love you feel towards your friends and family kind of like the unicorn you are describing? Do you even really feel love, if its just in your "head"?

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germandiago[dead post] ◴[] No.29830306[source]
the_af ◴[] No.29830761[source]
> A list of socialist or communist governments now:

> [...] Argentina [...]

No.

Source: I live in Argentina and it's neither socialist nor communist. It's currently center-left capitalist. Our immediately preceding government was center-right capitalist. In the 70s we had far-right capitalist military dictatorship (Chicago boys influenced economy wise, School of the Americas trained).

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germandiago ◴[] No.29833120[source]
Argentina is almost socialist in taxing terms. And 21 million of people are subsidized. I do not see a capitalist system subsidizing 21 million people. That is not capitalism. Call it something else.
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malermeister ◴[] No.29833327[source]
Isn't it interesting how you're saying a capitalist system you don't like "isn't capitalism", but you complain when others do the same with socialist systems?
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germandiago ◴[] No.29833673[source]
You know what a capitalist is in Argentina? Javier Milei (basically a libertarian). The rest goes strictly towards socialism in the sense that is more to the left from that in economic terms.

Capitalism is basically free market, no price controls, prviate property respect and low regulation. Argentina is number 148 in the index of economic freedom. Would you call that capitalist? Not me: https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

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the_af ◴[] No.29834116[source]
If the only capitalist in Argentina you know is Milei (far right, self-proclaimed "libertarian", worked under a known criminal of our military dictatorship) then you're out of touch.

Really, consider how you're shifting the goalposts: you only consider far right libertarians as capitalists. The rest of the world disagrees with you.

Anyway, I live in Argentina and you don't. You are wrong.

> That is not capitalism. Call it something else.

No. You must use definitions of capitalism compatible with the current consensus. Otherwise you're playing the same game you keep accusing leftists of, "that's not true capitalism, I mean something else!".

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germandiago ◴[] No.29837828[source]
I cannot reply to ur last comment but you are spreading a lot of lies.

I have not claimed to have lived in a ton of countries. I have lived in Vietnam, in Singapore, in Spain and in places you do not need or I want to tell you. But I just claimed to have lived in those and to know, through people, other countries.

Go travel a bit and talk to foreigners and read a bit if you want to know more. But do not claim your country is not de facto socialist in many terms. It is. You do not like it? Ok, cool. But it is.

I showed you evidence. I never claimed Argentina is communist by the way. I claimed what they do is socialist-style stuff. Every day stronger and stronger, limiting freedom.

Calm down a bit and start trying to not insult everyone you do not like. You do not like me I am cool with it. But attack the argumentation, not the people.

Milei is the only person in your country honest enough to put his payroll and privileges on a lottery to not keep it for him because he is against taxes.

See you!

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the_af ◴[] No.29837960[source]
> Calm down a bit and start trying to not insult everyone you do not like. You do not like me I am cool with it. But attack the argumentation, not the people.

Pray tell me, does this line of debate tactics usually work for you?

> Milei is the only person in your country honest enough to put his privileges on a lottery to not keep it for him becaise he is against taxes.

"Honest" is one way of putting it. "Far right libertarian" is another. In any case, like I said, he also has an authoritarian streak.

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1. germandiago ◴[] No.29839976{3}[source]
> "Honest" is one way of putting it. "Far right libertarian" is another.

In many ways, giving a public service without taking the wealth of others and giving up you assigned salary for the task could be seen as more socialist than what mamy socialists claim. That is why, as of today, I have respect for Milei: he tries to promote what he believes starting on not making the rest pay the bill.

Things can change, sure. And politics can change people. I can change my mind. I talk about now and today. Respect for Mr. Milei. If there was a person like Milei in Spain, and not necessarily a libertarian, I would probably vote again. Now I simply cannot.

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2. the_af ◴[] No.29841259[source]
> In many ways, [Milei] giving a public service without taking the wealth of others and giving up you assigned salary for the task could be seen as more socialist

You do realize that's a publicity stunt on Milei's part, and that it's completely unrelated to socialism, right?

> If there was a person like Milei in Spain

Aren't you living in Vietnam?