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toxik ◴[] No.27415754[source]
Chinese originated spam and abuse is so outrageously widespread, I don’t understand why there isn’t a conversation going on about cutting them off from the wider internet. They blocked most of it anyway.
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egypturnash ◴[] No.27416375[source]
China currently makes some absurdly large percentage of the world's consumer goods, and the discussions about producing them are probably being had over the internet. Cut them off of the internet and we have to rebuild manufacturing capacity everywhere else.

Which might not be a bad thing overall, but it's sure not gonna make any transnational corporation's bottom line happy over the next few quarters, so they'll be waving a lot of money at politicians to make this not happen.

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ALittleLight ◴[] No.27416467[source]
China is an oppressive authoritarian state currently engaged in ethnic cleansing. How is enabling them indefinitely an option?
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julianlam ◴[] No.27416571[source]
Because doing so would essentially push China towards a China-only internet, which they're already halfway towards.

The benefits of gobalization and the spread of democracy (or even just alternative governance models) via exposure to other cultures cannot be understated

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Arubis ◴[] No.27416813[source]
I liked this hypothesis overall—that exposure to democracy through trade is sufficient to breed democracy in China. It’s a confident and peaceful approach, and I’m glad that we tested it. However, in this case, I believe we’ve disproven the hypothesis; continuing to run the same experiment unmodified and expecting improving results is signing up for disappointment.
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1. xwolfi ◴[] No.27417566[source]
I disagree: I m not sure what's making you say it's not working but from a Chinese point of view, this was also an experiment, to try and open up a little.

Are you sure you're doing your part of the bilateral exchange? It cant just be China changing, the US must learn too to adapt and accept a larger, more powerful country, with a widely different model.

Living in China, I can tell you the american model is known, and not particularly impressive to them. They care a lot less about freedom of speech, maybe because they never had it, than they care qbout order, unity and crime rate for instance. And what I always hear is that throwing themselves at the communists in revolt to get the same shitty system as the US is not so seductive.

Maybe become a role model and people will beg to ressemble you ? I have a hard time convincing them voting for their government is gonna work better because "if even idiots can vote, look at who they elect" :s