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TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks in Europe falter

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lousken ◴[15 May 21 02:26 UTC] No.27161749[source]▶
Is automotive industry all that EU cares about? What about IoT/robotics? The fact that TSMC want to build only their older fab here is really disappointing to me.
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totalZero ◴[15 May 21 03:48 UTC] No.27162168[source]▶
Older lithography is what European automakers need, and the same can be said for robotics. The only reason for EU to demand fabrication of leading edge chips in Europe is hubris. How many laptops and mobile phones, in percent terms relative to those respective markets, are assembled in Europe?
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pawsforapplase ◴[15 May 21 04:44 UTC] No.27162446[source]▶
I've actually always wondered why automakers never try to make consumer electronics. They wouldn't even need to compete with Apple or Dell; would you consider an Audi or Toyota laptop in place of a Panasonic Toughbook?

Caterpillar does it with phones[1], and their main business is heavy industry. Why not auto manufacturers? Could easier access to smaller process nodes incentivize them to branch out into new markets like that?

[1]: https://www.catphones.com/

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bserge ◴[15 May 21 07:45 UTC] No.27163277[source]▶
I've always wondered why most household appliances recycling factories don't sell the parts, but hey, I'm just a lowly employee, not a CEO getting paid five+ figures a year.

When I looked into it, the most cited reasons were "that's not our business" (really? then what is?) and "it costs more than it's worth" (it doesn't, plus you get government subsidies for green initiatives).

No mention of contracts forbidding that, some manufacturers do forbid resale of whole units, but not of spare parts.

Caterpillar sold/licensed their brand for use in industries they're not competing in, btw, just like many other big companies.

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1. kube-system ◴[15 May 21 13:56 UTC] No.27165275{3}[source]▶
I once did some work for a junkyard, and their business is a lot more complicated than what I would imagine a recycler has to do. They have to identify, catalog, evaluate the quality of parts. They have to identify cross-reference fitment information. With thousands of different vehicles with thousands of parts each, they’re looking at millions of SKUs. Then they have to inventory, warehouse, market, and manage the sales process for all of those. Even the highly automated tech-savvy junk yard I did work for threw out most of the parts that weren’t high value or high demand, simply because all of the above processes wouldn’t be worth it for a thousands of different $2 parts that don’t have names and are low demand.

Appliances aren’t quite as complicated, but I could still see how it would be a big change from the perspective of how they do business.

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2. hollerith ◴[15 May 21 14:34 UTC] No.27165571[source]▶
The auto junkyards of my childhood left the identification and evaluation of the parts to the customer: the parts were left on the car; the customer located, then removed the part he or she needed, then brought it to the office.
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3. VVertigo ◴[15 May 21 19:29 UTC] No.27168139[source]▶
Those junkyards are getting few and far between because of liability insurance costs. Now the parts have to be ordered and pulled off for you, which makes it uneconomical for low value parts. Often, just the high value parts are pulled and the car is crushed.