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TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks in Europe falter

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437 points adventured | 14 comments | 15 May 21 00:49 UTC | HN request time: 1.868s | source | bottom
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lousken ◴[15 May 21 02:26 UTC] No.27161749[source]▶
Is automotive industry all that EU cares about? What about IoT/robotics? The fact that TSMC want to build only their older fab here is really disappointing to me.
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1. AlchemistCamp ◴[15 May 21 03:17 UTC] No.27162012[source]▶
The EU has also supplied both weapons and technology that are currently threatening Taiwan: https://www.businessinsider.com/european-companies-are-suppl...

France alone was the #2 supplier from 2015-2019: https://euro-sd.com/2020/03/news/16688/sipri-biggest-arms-ex...

You really can't blame Taiwan for not rushing to put its most cutting edge expertise in the EU.

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2. mannerheim ◴[15 May 21 04:39 UTC] No.27162425[source]▶
That's false. France hasn't exported arms to Taiwan since 2005 according to SIPRI <https://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/values.php>. All Taiwanese arms imports since 2015 have come from the United States.
3. tasogare ◴[15 May 21 04:43 UTC] No.27162441[source]▶
France also sold a good part of weapons that is used to defend Taiwan (the Mirage fleet).
4. NicoJuicy ◴[15 May 21 05:02 UTC] No.27162546[source]▶
Eg ~ 200 million in 2012 is not a lot of arms.

That's 2,5 x f35's ( without maintenance) which really is just peanuts.

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5. idiotsecant ◴[15 May 21 05:32 UTC] No.27162695[source]▶
in Capitalism's majesty it provides equal access to incredibly expensive military technology to both the world's 2nd largest economy and it's 36th largest economy economy!
6. nl ◴[15 May 21 07:02 UTC] No.27163074[source]▶
France also sells arms to Taiwan probably worth more than the sales to China.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200513-china-warns-france-agai...

7. AlchemistCamp ◴[15 May 21 08:52 UTC] No.27163556[source]▶
The more valuable part was the technology transfer.
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8. NicoJuicy ◴[15 May 21 09:36 UTC] No.27163757{3}[source]▶
Says what?

> "Without European technology, the Chinese navy would not be able to move."

You really think China couldn't buy tech from eg. Russia to make their "fleet move"?

What was the tech? Why was it that important?

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9. VWWHFSfQ ◴[15 May 21 11:14 UTC] No.27164212{4}[source]▶
is russias technology still from the 60s and 70s though
10. peoplefromibiza ◴[15 May 21 13:15 UTC] No.27164911[source]▶
TSMC buy their machinery from EU.

Their most cutting edge expertise is in good part made in EU.

11. mannerheim ◴[16 May 21 03:20 UTC] No.27170921{4}[source]▶
The Russians can't even make their own fleet move.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tug-sailing-with-russian-shi...

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12. NicoJuicy ◴[16 May 21 15:10 UTC] No.27174220{5}[source]▶
The carrier is moving, isn't it?

Lack of money to maintain their army has been a recurring issue since the fall of the USSR.

My question still remains to have a realistic POV:

> What was the tech? Why was it that important?

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13. mannerheim ◴[16 May 21 18:15 UTC] No.27175766{6}[source]▶
I mean, if you consider being pulled by a tugboat to be moving.
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14. NicoJuicy ◴[20 May 21 05:54 UTC] No.27217898{7}[source]▶
The article states there is no tugboat.

Your statement only enforces my argument that they don't have enough money to maintain their fleet.

Which is also mentioned in the article itself.