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PragmaticPulp ◴[] No.26612365[source]
> Subjects ingested 3 mg/kg of caffeine or a placebo at 8am and 5pm

3mg/kg is over 250mg of caffeine for an average weight man. Twice a day makes that 500mg.

An 8.4oz can of Red Bull contains 80mg of caffeine. They were giving these people an amount of caffeine equivalent to 6 cans of Red Bull. Not a perfect comparison because Red Bull contains other ingredients, but that's still a lot of caffeine. For another point of reference, that's 2.5 shots of 5 hour energy (200mg caffeine per bottle).

To top it off, the subjects were caffeine-naive, so they had no caffeine tolerance. They must have been feeling extremely energetic.

No wonder they burned more fat. I'm not sure this is going to translate to your casual coffee drinker or someone with a high caffeine tolerance.

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perrylaj ◴[] No.26612565[source]
Seems like a lot when put in terms of Redbull, but isn't really in the context of athletes and performance. 5mg/kg is a common number as a pre-event dose for endurance athletes, and science seems to be mixed on ideal due to large individual variation in tolerance, response, and metabolics[1]. There are many 'thermogenic' fat loss supplements that have 150mg+ per dose taken multiple times a day.

Cyclists I know commonly take 400mg before a race to training session, and often top up over the course of the event if it's more than a couple hours. So I don't think the numbers reported are high, unless casual coffee is your basis comparison. But in the context of caffeine for fat loss, where supplements have high amounts, the numbers seem in line with common use.

1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5752738/

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SkyPuncher ◴[] No.26612960[source]
> Seems like a lot when put in terms of Redbull,

Redbull doesn't actually have that much caffeine. A typically, 8oz cup of coffee has more caffeine than a redbull.

In fact, most "energy drinks" don't have that much caffeine. They have other ingredients that also provide energy.

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1. schappim ◴[] No.26612995[source]
In the industry the other ingredients are called “pixie dust”.

The heavy lifting is done by the caffeine.

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2. qeternity ◴[] No.26614829[source]
And anyone without a shockingly low caffeine tolerance also knows that one of the main ingredients in energy drinks is marketing.

Red Bull does nothing to most people that a cup of black coffee wouldn’t do. But the placebo effect is a helluva drug.

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3. bjourne ◴[] No.26616593[source]
Are you sure about that? I drink coffee all day long and in the evenings too. Doesn't affect me much. But some of the energy drinks gets me completely hyper so that I can't sleep.