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mmaunder ◴[] No.25606123[source]
You’re angry. I’ve felt this in a trademark lawsuit. You think the world should get behind you and change the corrupt system.

My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition.

They kind of have a point which doesn’t make them right, but they hold all the cards and you will lose this one and regret the wasted bandwidth.

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Bodell ◴[] No.25606390[source]
Honestly if your name your product stupid things I would think that some of us might be choosing not to download your product as a result. And if a store decides not to sell your product because of this it’s really their prerogative. Saying you violated their terms with impunity for 6 years doesn’t mean they lose the right to correct the mistake.

This name is pretty rings rather badly in my ears, though I’m not offended by such things. I’d feel similarly if they had named it “fuck sleep”. I’m not offended by the word “fuck” but I don’t really want to buy products that are named that. Do apps need energy drink names to be successful? I’ve noticed a trend in talking about men’s balls in ads, manscaping, underwater fart jokes. It’s seems so much like idiocracy more then something offensive.

On the other hand a rose is still a rose. So I agree they should probably just rename it. I doubt there would be any major loss from doing so.

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hugi ◴[] No.25606920[source]
Americans being American. "We love freedom of speech but fuck you if your product name mentions a chemical compound or a word I or someone else might find offending".
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1. GCA10 ◴[] No.25607086[source]
Freedom of speech isn't the same as freedom of distribution. There are lots of edgy things that you can say somewhere. You just can't say them everywhere.

We can have lots of lively debate about how to draw the boundaries. But we'll get a lot farther if we can move beyond the two-state absolutism of "allowable everywhere" vs. "outright banned with breath-taking severity."

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2. jethro_tell ◴[] No.25607190[source]
This is still not it. He's not facing a government warrent.

Freedom of speech means the government won't/can't prosecute you for what you say. It doesn't have anything to do with how companies or private citizens respond to your words.

You're (usually) legally allowed to say you'll fuck my mom but I don't have to bring you over for family dinner.

One could contend that apple's refusal to host this app on it's store is in itself free speech.

Either way, the government jasent gotten involved so nothing here treads on free speech issues.

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3. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.25607681[source]
> Freedom of speech means the government won't/can't prosecute you for what you say

The First Amendment says this. Freedom of speech is “a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction” [1]. It is broader than the First Amendment, and gave rise to it, though the First Amendment is its most successful codification in the modern world.

A society that shuns those who say “bad” things, even without state action, may not hold true to the values of freedom of speech.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

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4. jethro_tell ◴[] No.25607911{3}[source]
No, you have the right to hold and express any view you want.

You don't get to choose peoples reaction or the way they view you after you say something. That would be infringing on their right to hold or express opinions about your views.

What's complicated about that?

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5. strken ◴[] No.25608310{4}[source]
The complicated part is that freedom of speech is both a legal right in the US and an ethical principle globally, and your legal rights are less broad than the ethical principle. Something that is legal can still be in violation of the ethical principle.

You say "[we] don't get to choose [people's reactions]", but this is not at all relevant. We're not asking whether their actions are legal or whether we can legally dictate what they think, we're asking whether they're acting ethically.

6. manigandham ◴[] No.25620475[source]
That is the First Amendment, not freedom of speech.

One is law, the other is a principle.