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macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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2603 points mattsolle | 24 comments | 12 Nov 20 21:00 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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submeta ◴[12 Nov 20 21:15 UTC] No.25075156[source]▶
Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago.

Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail:

https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289

> I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so, the entire operating system grinds to a halt.

EDIT:

As others pointed out, I put this to my `/etc/hosts` file and refreshed it like so:

    sudo emacs /etc/hosts # add `0.0.0.0 ocsp.apple.com` 
    sudo dscacheutil -flushcache; sudo killall -HUP mDNSResponder # refresh hosts
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read_if_gay_ ◴[12 Nov 20 21:49 UTC] No.25075547[source]▶
I started panicking mildly thinking my drive was failing or something.

And just before this, I finally managed to fix Spotlight pegging one core at 100% constantly. Next thing, I reboot into a laggy system. macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with... it's basically an abusive relationship at this point.

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1. redisman ◴[12 Nov 20 22:24 UTC] No.25076012[source]▶
> macOS is my favorite OS, but

Ain't that the truth with every OS. I use Windows for gaming, PopOS for work on my desktop and MacOS for work on my laptop. The amount of weird issues is about constant.

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2. barumi ◴[12 Nov 20 23:59 UTC] No.25077024[source]▶
> The amount of weird issues is about constant.

But linux is free both as in free beer and in free speech, windows required you to pay the Microsoft tax to use, and lastly macOS required you to pay a premium on hardware.

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3. redisman ◴[13 Nov 20 01:09 UTC] No.25077606[source]▶
True. Linux is the best value and the best developer experience IMHO - unless you need commercial software that is Win/Mac only. Even then you can virtualize which is safer too. I can also easily get a Darcula theme OS-wide for Gnome so..
4. mekster ◴[13 Nov 20 01:23 UTC] No.25077721[source]▶
That freedom of Linux comes at a cost that people aren't paid to take care of the level of details other OS have.

Paying $100 for Windows seems like a better solution if you just want a working OS without a hassle.

And what premium do Mac hardwares have? It seems I paid what they deserved as I can't find anything better in the market. Even moreso now that M1 is out, it seems all Windows machines have premium.

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5. bbojan ◴[13 Nov 20 01:44 UTC] No.25077870{3}[source]▶
If Windows is working for you "without a hassle", you must be using some version that us mortals can only dream of.
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6. mekster ◴[13 Nov 20 01:50 UTC] No.25077918{4}[source]▶
What hassle do you have these days?

Yeah, I don't use peripherals as it's only a gaming machine (I don't see other reason to use Windows) but it's working as intended for years.

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7. phkahler ◴[13 Nov 20 02:04 UTC] No.25078001{3}[source]▶
>> That freedom of Linux comes at a cost that people aren't paid to take care of the level of details other OS have.

>> Paying $100 for Windows seems like a better solution if you just want a working OS without a hassle.

I've been running Fedora for 15 years and haven't had any of those pesky Linux issues for at least 8 of those years. Meanwhile, I was issued a new Windows laptop at work just last week and it Sucks pretty bad. It's smooth and polished, but with all the advertising and "first ones free" preinstalled shit it feels a lot like Facebook rather than a computer. I'm glad its me-at-work being monetized and not me at home...

8. eMSF ◴[13 Nov 20 02:45 UTC] No.25078218{5}[source]▶
Activation, for example. An activated and running Windows system can turn into a nagging SOB by something as simple as enabling a motherboard's Ethernet adapter in BIOS.

A level of detail I value is that none of that BS is baked into systems I use. Doesn't matter whether those who did not do so were paid for it or not.

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9. arvinsim ◴[13 Nov 20 03:03 UTC] No.25078331{5}[source]▶
I also don't get about this complaint about Windows. I had as much problems with as my Macbook...which is almost always never.
10. Semaphor ◴[13 Nov 20 03:42 UTC] No.25078580{6}[source]▶
I didn’t even have to reactivate after changing my MB. I never had to reactivate an activated Windows 10 in general.
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11. washadjeffmad ◴[13 Nov 20 03:54 UTC] No.25078661{3}[source]▶
> working OS without a hassle

I can't help but think you meant, "I've accepted there's no real way to salvage and diagnose my computer when it breaks so reformatting it has become second nature. I always keep an up to date Win10 install USB ready, and I even have a second hard drive that I keep all my files on."

With Macs, you have to put up with MacOS and Apple (one big premium is lack of choice). It's also not that easy to self-administrate without MDM, and software options are relatively limited if you come from either Linux or Windows.

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12. dheera ◴[13 Nov 20 05:40 UTC] No.25079272[source]▶
> macOS required you to pay a premium on hardware

Or just run macOS in a virtual machine

13. qazwse_ ◴[13 Nov 20 06:25 UTC] No.25079537{6}[source]▶
Had this happen to me after installing a secondary SSD. Windows was deactivated, and wouldn't reactivate. I ended up having to use the Windows Restore tool before I could activate again. Having to reinstall all of your programs is never fun.
14. jmnicolas ◴[13 Nov 20 07:33 UTC] No.25079952{4}[source]▶
Oh come on stop spreading the Windows 98 old stories. Windows 10 is a piece of crap spyware but it is stable.
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15. barumi ◴[13 Nov 20 10:31 UTC] No.25080935{3}[source]▶
> That freedom of Linux comes at a cost that people aren't paid to take care of the level of details other OS have.

What do you mean "take care of the level of detail"?

I can download Debian right now, install it on hardware in about 10min, and get everything to work rock solid without any hitch.

I can't say the same about either Windows 10 or macOS.

In fact, I had mojave crash and reboot more times in the last month than Ubuntu 18.04 since it was released, and mojave is preinstalled in its own target hardware, which is supposed to be high-end, while Ubuntu is installed on a cheap laptop that cost between a third and a fourth of my apple laptop.

What exactly do you mean by level of detail?

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16. read_if_gay_ ◴[13 Nov 20 14:21 UTC] No.25082390{4}[source]▶
macOS I understand, but what machine do you have that Debian will work but Windows won’t?
17. qz2 ◴[13 Nov 20 14:27 UTC] No.25082462{5}[source]▶
They completely broke Alt-Tab in 20H2 so no, it's not.
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18. mekster ◴[13 Nov 20 15:02 UTC] No.25082937{4}[source]▶
Maybe the desktop environment itself is fine but for third party apps I don't see $10 range nifty apps that boost productivity on Linux.

Half of the apps I use are on Linux as well but that won't get me to the productivity on macOS.

19. mekster ◴[13 Nov 20 15:06 UTC] No.25082981{7}[source]▶
I had a new mobo broken in 1 week and replaced it with the same model and it ended up license being invalid despite the mobo being the exact same model.

I had to make a phone call since none of the methods Windows or the internet suggested worked and that phone literally took 30 min to reactivate my license again. That wasn't fun.

20. mekster ◴[13 Nov 20 15:09 UTC] No.25083014{4}[source]▶
Never reinstalled Windows unintentionally at least for the part 10 years.

> software options are relatively limited

When was the last time you used macOS? I see the options limited on Windows rather and even moreso on Linux.

21. washadjeffmad ◴[13 Nov 20 19:13 UTC] No.25086169{5}[source]▶
We have >8K active Win10 workstations on our domain.

I wish you weren't wrong.

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22. def_true_false ◴[13 Nov 20 19:44 UTC] No.25086528{6}[source]▶
If only there was a way to get LTSC as a non-institutional customer and a way to activate it.

(wink wink)

23. jmnicolas ◴[14 Nov 20 06:59 UTC] No.25090737{6}[source]▶
The unspoken rule didn't change because it's Windows 10: never install a fresh release of an OS right away (I'm still on 20H1). And judging by the comments I read here it's true for MacOS too.

FWIW I switched from XP to Vista 1 or 1.5 year after its release date. It has been a great OS for me, I never had a problem with it (except that it's then they started with the bullshit telemetry).

Of course YMMV, but since late Vista stability isn't a major issue anymore.

24. jmnicolas ◴[14 Nov 20 07:11 UTC] No.25090768{6}[source]▶
I'm a software dev but since we're only 2 techies at work I also maintain about 40 Windows PC, 3 Hyper-V hypervisors (with something like half a dozen Windows server, the rest are Linuxes) and the printers.

If Windows 10 was unstable I should be swamped. But I spend more than 90% of my time on software dev.

And the machines are not new with fresh installs, I all migrated them manually from Windows 7.