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macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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2603 points mattsolle | 17 comments | 12 Nov 20 21:00 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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Lammy ◴[12 Nov 20 21:38 UTC] No.25075443[source]▶
Maybe it's just me but the idea that my computer lets Apple (+ any LE organizations) surveil my app launches seems so much scarier than any malware.
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1. romanovcode ◴[12 Nov 20 22:05 UTC] No.25075747[source]▶
This has happened since forever on Mac, Windows and Ubuntu.
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2. jchw ◴[12 Nov 20 22:11 UTC] No.25075832[source]▶
No it has not.
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3. mehrdadn ◴[12 Nov 20 22:13 UTC] No.25075870[source]▶
I'm fairly sure Windows does upload at least some hashes if you have it enabled in Windows Defender (which it is by default). Don't expect Ubuntu does this though.
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4. bkovacev ◴[12 Nov 20 22:16 UTC] No.25075916[source]▶
Can you please provide resources for Ubuntu?
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5. jchw ◴[12 Nov 20 23:02 UTC] No.25076453{3}[source]▶
Yeah, Windows Defender does worse if you let it have sample submission on. It'll send binaries to Microsoft and they will run in Azure!

https://medium.com/sensorfu/how-my-application-ran-away-and-...

That said, "this has happened forever" is false too. These behaviors are relatively new and relatively under the radar. Many people don't know they exist to get upset about it.

6. sliken ◴[12 Nov 20 23:21 UTC] No.25076681[source]▶
Sorry, not on Ubuntu. It's easy to check, compile a binary, run it, and use wireshark to watch your uplink.
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7. deadbunny ◴[13 Nov 20 00:33 UTC] No.25077294[source]▶
I would guess they are referencing the Ubuntu Amazon search thing from about 5 years ago (IIRC)
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8. romanovcode ◴[13 Nov 20 14:30 UTC] No.25082493[source]▶
Ubuntu did upload what applications you launched to Amazon.
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9. romanovcode ◴[13 Nov 20 14:30 UTC] No.25082497{3}[source]▶
Yes, exactly
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10. romanovcode ◴[13 Nov 20 14:32 UTC] No.25082517{3}[source]▶
> Don't expect Ubuntu does this though.

Ubuntu uploads (at least it did couple years ago) your data to Amazon.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.en.html

11. sliken ◴[13 Nov 20 18:17 UTC] No.25085516{3}[source]▶
Link?

There was a connection between the search bar for awhile, if you typed in pants you'd get potential amazon links. It was easy to turn off and disappeared awhile later.

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12. romanovcode ◴[13 Nov 20 18:38 UTC] No.25085771{4}[source]▶
It is exactly that. And you can turn off spying on other OS'es as well, doesn't defeat the point - they all spy.
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13. twentydollars ◴[13 Nov 20 19:11 UTC] No.25086142{4}[source]▶
So... No, this has never happened on Ubuntu.
14. twentydollars ◴[13 Nov 20 19:12 UTC] No.25086152{3}[source]▶
This is a lie.
15. twentydollars ◴[13 Nov 20 19:19 UTC] No.25086241{5}[source]▶
Linux operating systems don't spy on their users. This is false. Stop repeating misinformation.

The Ubuntu Amazon fiasco is, if anything, evidence of extreme resistance to this kind of thing. The Linux community rejected Canonical's opt-out ad partnership with Amazon collectively and almost unanimously. The program was relatively benign, but it went against ideals of both users and developers, and there have been no repeats.

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16. romanovcode ◴[13 Nov 20 19:50 UTC] No.25086585{6}[source]▶
I did not say "Linux" anywhere. I said Ubuntu.

Did it happen? Yes. And that is enough information.

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17. twentydollars ◴[14 Nov 20 18:06 UTC] No.25094147{7}[source]▶
You said "they all spy", implying generic Linux.

You have been called out for multiple falsehoods in your comments here and you've still failed to provide any evidence.