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    alexanderchr ◴[] No.25075173[source]
    My MacBook is basically unusable right now. This appears to be the reason. Is there any way to fix it without installing little snitch?

    Edit: working as usual now, moments after i wrote this. But seriously Apple, how can you allow this to happen? Your services hanging should _never_ prevent my device from running things locally. This is seriously making me reconsider my next computer purchase.

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    FanaHOVA ◴[] No.25075233[source]
    Turn off your internet, open the app, turn it back on.
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    1. nixpulvis ◴[] No.25075264[source]
    I'm laughing so hard at this right now.

    And people somehow still love their macs...

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    2. dwaltrip ◴[] No.25075691[source]
    Because Windows is so much better?
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    3. loeg ◴[] No.25075769[source]
    It doesn't have this particular failure mode, at least.
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    4. KingMachiavelli ◴[] No.25075779[source]
    Linux? At least then it's your fault when it breaks.
    5. valuearb ◴[] No.25075889{3}[source]
    Both Linux and Windows perform similar checks.
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    6. alpaca128 ◴[] No.25075914[source]
    Users should not put up with this kind of thing, no matter what OS. Forced updates, online startup checks...all unacceptable in my opinion.

    Imagine no car or train in the region starting because of a server outage. People would riot on the streets. But for some reason in the IT world this kind of crap is marketed as a feature.

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    7. loeg ◴[] No.25075947{4}[source]
    I'm sure Linux (the kernel) does not. I don't know of any Linux distro that does, but, I'd be curious if you can point to specifics.

    If you could point to any documentation of Windows performing app-start OCSP checks, I'd love to learn more (and recant my earlier statement).

    8. vcxy ◴[] No.25075977{4}[source]
    I assure you my Linux machines do not.
    9. Rebelgecko ◴[] No.25076024{4}[source]
    That's a rather extraordinary claim. It's really setting off my BS meter- Can you show us where the code is to do that in the Linux kernel?
    10. renewiltord ◴[] No.25076030{4}[source]
    Do you know of a Wireshark filter that will reveal this on Ubuntu? What you're saying doesn't sound credible, but to incentivize, here's the bet:

    If you can provide a Wireshark filter that will show a certificate check on a vanilla Ubuntu 20.04 system when the following commands are executed in a bash shell, then I will donate $25 to a charity of your choice. Commands follow:

        cat <<HEREDOC >/tmp/file.c
        #include <stdio.h>
    
        int main() {
          printf("Hello World");
          return 0;
        }
        HEREDOC
        gcc /tmp/file.c -o /tmp/app
        /tmp/app
    11. heavyset_go ◴[] No.25076331{4}[source]
    No, Linux does not.

    Linux does provide application-level and per-application security, as well as sandboxes, but they exist to help the user and the user has complete control over them and their system.

    12. dwaltrip ◴[] No.25076573{3}[source]
    I agree! I would love that.

    However... Where can I buy a computer free of all of those issues?

    13. stevenhuang ◴[] No.25079392{4}[source]
    The comment you are replying to states other OS' do not have this failure mode so your response is quite the non-sequitur, nevermind of questionable veracity (linux).
    14. jamil7 ◴[] No.25079679[source]
    Yeah because we’ve never seen windows or linux users have to perform crazy workarounds right.