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    1. alexanderchr ◴[] No.25075173[source]
    My MacBook is basically unusable right now. This appears to be the reason. Is there any way to fix it without installing little snitch?

    Edit: working as usual now, moments after i wrote this. But seriously Apple, how can you allow this to happen? Your services hanging should _never_ prevent my device from running things locally. This is seriously making me reconsider my next computer purchase.

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    2. pwinnski ◴[] No.25075224[source]
    Apparently you can set ocsp.apple.com to 127.0.0.1 in your /etc/hosts

    This is really terrible, but at least the workaround is simple.

    3. tlunter ◴[] No.25075226[source]
    Add the `127.0.0.1 ocsp.apple.com` line to your /etc/hosts file.
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    4. FanaHOVA ◴[] No.25075233[source]
    Turn off your internet, open the app, turn it back on.
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    5. nixpulvis ◴[] No.25075264[source]
    I'm laughing so hard at this right now.

    And people somehow still love their macs...

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    6. jonheller ◴[] No.25075268[source]
    Thank you, this fixed it for me. (What a mess!)
    7. dwaltrip ◴[] No.25075691{3}[source]
    Because Windows is so much better?
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    8. randmeerkat ◴[] No.25075741[source]
    System76 is pretty great and they have amazing customer support. Plus between ProtonDB / Lutris you can run pretty much anything you want that needed Windows before.

    https://system76.com/laptops

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    9. loeg ◴[] No.25075769{4}[source]
    It doesn't have this particular failure mode, at least.
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    10. KingMachiavelli ◴[] No.25075779{4}[source]
    Linux? At least then it's your fault when it breaks.
    11. mamcx ◴[] No.25075869[source]
    This was my intuition!

    I was in the middle of a call to fix a problem with a customer, I need to near-panic telling them MY computer was frozen.

    Thanks Apple!

    12. valuearb ◴[] No.25075889{5}[source]
    Both Linux and Windows perform similar checks.
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    13. alpaca128 ◴[] No.25075914{4}[source]
    Users should not put up with this kind of thing, no matter what OS. Forced updates, online startup checks...all unacceptable in my opinion.

    Imagine no car or train in the region starting because of a server outage. People would riot on the streets. But for some reason in the IT world this kind of crap is marketed as a feature.

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    14. loeg ◴[] No.25075947{6}[source]
    I'm sure Linux (the kernel) does not. I don't know of any Linux distro that does, but, I'd be curious if you can point to specifics.

    If you could point to any documentation of Windows performing app-start OCSP checks, I'd love to learn more (and recant my earlier statement).

    15. vcxy ◴[] No.25075977{6}[source]
    I assure you my Linux machines do not.
    16. Rebelgecko ◴[] No.25076024{6}[source]
    That's a rather extraordinary claim. It's really setting off my BS meter- Can you show us where the code is to do that in the Linux kernel?
    17. renewiltord ◴[] No.25076030{6}[source]
    Do you know of a Wireshark filter that will reveal this on Ubuntu? What you're saying doesn't sound credible, but to incentivize, here's the bet:

    If you can provide a Wireshark filter that will show a certificate check on a vanilla Ubuntu 20.04 system when the following commands are executed in a bash shell, then I will donate $25 to a charity of your choice. Commands follow:

        cat <<HEREDOC >/tmp/file.c
        #include <stdio.h>
    
        int main() {
          printf("Hello World");
          return 0;
        }
        HEREDOC
        gcc /tmp/file.c -o /tmp/app
        /tmp/app
    18. wheybags ◴[] No.25076174[source]
    I use and love Linux, but come on man, that kind of statement does not help. Even with proton and friends, wine is not perfect. There will most likely be problems, and it's not a one to one transition. However, in my opinion, it is worth it, but there's no sense pretending there is no cost.
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    19. bkallus ◴[] No.25076270{3}[source]
    It's certainly not perfect, but it's good. If Windows-specific stuff is what's keeping someone from Linux, I'd encourage them to at least see if it works in Wine.
    20. heavyset_go ◴[] No.25076331{6}[source]
    No, Linux does not.

    Linux does provide application-level and per-application security, as well as sandboxes, but they exist to help the user and the user has complete control over them and their system.

    21. thekyle ◴[] No.25076525[source]
    Given that they're using a MacBook they probably aren't using very much Windows specific software if any, so I don't know that Wine would be much of a factor.
    22. dwaltrip ◴[] No.25076573{5}[source]
    I agree! I would love that.

    However... Where can I buy a computer free of all of those issues?

    23. behnamoh ◴[] No.25077425[source]
    It'd be cooler if they were called "system32". JK
    24. stevenhuang ◴[] No.25079392{6}[source]
    The comment you are replying to states other OS' do not have this failure mode so your response is quite the non-sequitur, nevermind of questionable veracity (linux).
    25. jamil7 ◴[] No.25079679{3}[source]
    Yeah because we’ve never seen windows or linux users have to perform crazy workarounds right.
    26. kdtsh ◴[] No.25089223{3}[source]
    If you're willing to use Windows, honestly one of the better solutions today is to just run Windows 10 in a VM. It's even feasible to do this for video games with VFIO.