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hijklmno ◴[] No.24154700[source]
It's not Apple vs. Fortnite. It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. What the user install's and uninstall's from his phone should be his decision. Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. Apple is no longer the underdog that it was 40 years ago, and some fanboys pretending it to be is despicable. It's a monopoly and the only thing it cares is it's profitability. Despite all the sugarcoated lies Apple, Amazon, Facebook, and Google have been saying to the senate, they are a monopoly. Stop letting them deceive us. Let's take the power back. Stop enabling such deception. Death of a country is determined by it's governance. Death of a society is determined by it's culture and greedy monopolies. The way we can claim our power is by raising awareness to the point that the powers that are will take note and take action.
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vogre ◴[] No.24155320[source]
>Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable.

What makes you think that 3% cut is enough?

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ralfn ◴[] No.24155474[source]
Because its the sort of above most transaction fees of most payment providers in the world.

But Apple can ask whatever they want. They can't block side-loading though. That's the uncompetitive part.

You can run your store and pick whatever terms you like. You can't use your marketshare in hardware sales to bundle a forced store.

Imagine Tesla charging you 30% of any grocery shopping (i.e. would refuse to open the doors if the store didn't share 30% of its gross revenue).

I mean, its literally, textbook anti-competitive. The App Store as a store isn't competing fairly, on its own merits.

Also keep in mind, that this whole getting raped with transaction fees is a 'america-only' thing. This is much better regulated in the rest of the world.

Specifically the costs are fixed, so anything that is a percentage is just fucking nonsense. It doesn't cost more to charge 5 euro's than it does to charge 1 euro. It uses the same electricity, the same personel costs. There is a point where its get more expensive because of risk management, but thats above 100 euro per transaction.

Percentages on transactions are generally only allowed when its a loan. Which is why Americans are always buying things with credit cards ("loaning the money"). Most people pay for things with their own money, not with a loan. (i.e. direct bank transfer). And those transactions have a fixed transaction costs. Worst case 1 euro (low-volume, your personal webshop) all the way down to 5 euro cent (high-volume, i.e. the supermarket).

So explain to me where the hell you get your 3% from? You just sound like an already boiled frog saying 'are you sure we can survive in cold water?'

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1. philliphaydon ◴[] No.24155693[source]
I don't want side-loading apps on iPhone. The moment you allow side-loading you can no longer trust the apps on a phone. Is it really facebook or was facebook removed and replaced with something else.
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2. anoncake ◴[] No.24155713[source]
Don't side load then.
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3. philliphaydon ◴[] No.24155763[source]
What happens if you get picked up by the police, and your stuff is confiscated, and you get it back, how do you trust your apps on your phone if side-loading is allowed?

You can't. You can't know if whatsapp was replaced with whatsapp that syphon your data.

"Don't side load then." is a poor argument.

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4. nicexe ◴[] No.24155870[source]
To side-load an app on an iPhone you need to sign it with a developer certificate (and apple will actually do it for you). You can only run the app if you trust said certificate (you will get a prompt saying something like going in the settings, tapping on the developer name and then tapping "Trust". You would then need to confirm using your passcode/faceid/touchid). It's not like anyone can put apps on your phone and being able to launch them without any friction.
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5. jason0597 ◴[] No.24155908{3}[source]
How would they side load apps if the phone is locked?
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6. philliphaydon ◴[] No.24156328[source]
Side loading on Android does not require a certificate. What people are suggesting is allowing side loading something like fortnite to by-pass the App Store, like what is possible on Android.

Side loading is not the same as installing apps as a developer for testing.

2nd, sure you need a passcode etc to accept the install, this every-now-n-then gets by passed.

7. philliphaydon ◴[] No.24156348{4}[source]
What if they can bypass a locked phone?
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8. TechBro8615 ◴[] No.24156436{5}[source]
Then side loading is the least of your problems.
9. nickez ◴[] No.24156449{3}[source]
If the police has had your phone it is compromised. End of story. Throw it in the river...
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10. bluecalm ◴[] No.24156491[source]
You don't have to side load anything. If you think it's worth paying 30% for the Apple review process etc. You're free to do so. Just let others make their own decisions.
11. mattdmrs ◴[] No.24164686{4}[source]
Or recycle it. Don’t pollute the rivers!
12. anoncake ◴[] No.24168572{3}[source]
Make sure it's still signed by Facebook. Whatever good that will do for your privacy. Next question.