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Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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hijklmno ◴[14 Aug 20 07:03 UTC] No.24154700[source]▶
It's not Apple vs. Fortnite. It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. What the user install's and uninstall's from his phone should be his decision. Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. Apple is no longer the underdog that it was 40 years ago, and some fanboys pretending it to be is despicable. It's a monopoly and the only thing it cares is it's profitability. Despite all the sugarcoated lies Apple, Amazon, Facebook, and Google have been saying to the senate, they are a monopoly. Stop letting them deceive us. Let's take the power back. Stop enabling such deception. Death of a country is determined by it's governance. Death of a society is determined by it's culture and greedy monopolies. The way we can claim our power is by raising awareness to the point that the powers that are will take note and take action.
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hrktb ◴[14 Aug 20 07:26 UTC] No.24154887[source]▶
> It is the user's property from then on

I guess that's what's going to change more and more in our future. Just like apps/programs, movies, books, music tracks were our properties.

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thatguy0900 ◴[14 Aug 20 07:36 UTC] No.24154967[source]▶
Most people already lease phones, to them it wouldn't be that big of a change to just say you can only rent them
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1. cookieswumchorr ◴[14 Aug 20 07:55 UTC] No.24155096[source]▶
care to bring in some statistics? In what part of the world? I havent't found numbers, and my anecdotal experience is opposite
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2. shawnz ◴[14 Aug 20 09:06 UTC] No.24155579[source]▶
Carrier subsidized devices are the norm in North America.
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3. twduke ◴[14 Aug 20 09:19 UTC] No.24155664[source]▶
Same in Sweden, if you can't afford to, or don't want to spend the cash for a >1000$ phone. You can lock yourself in for 12-24 months on a provider with a raised monthly fee. Very common in my experience.
4. hrktb ◴[14 Aug 20 10:23 UTC] No.24156090[source]▶
It's too long since I entered these contracts, is it loaned/leased ?

Where I am the loan would be on the purchasing money, so technically you own the device, but would have to pay your carrier the remaining price + some penalty if you needed to stop the contract, or give back the device + penalty if you are not in a position to pay. The device stays with you after the loan/contract period is done.

There is still the carrier lockin, so you can't change carrier willy-nilly before the loan is paid, but that wouldn't stop you from selling your phone to someone else using the same carrier for instance.

5. TechBro8615 ◴[14 Aug 20 11:08 UTC] No.24156400[source]▶
There’s a difference between financing a phone and leasing it. A carrier subsidy is effectively a loan that you can use to buy the phone (which you then own).
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6. shawnz ◴[14 Aug 20 11:51 UTC] No.24156674{3}[source]▶
Presumably that's what the other poster colloquially (and incorrectly) meant by "lease", as opposed to "rent"
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7. jki275 ◴[14 Aug 20 12:30 UTC] No.24157012[source]▶
That's not leasing. It's a financing agreement.
8. sergers ◴[14 Aug 20 14:46 UTC] No.24158573{4}[source]▶
In Canada all the major carriers are pushing leasing for the newest phones.

You can still finance the phone at a subsidized rate but the deals are with leasing.

Telus has "bring it back". You pay 0$ upfront for the phone, but do pay an additional recurring monthly fee for the phone.

After 2 years you bring the phone back. If u want to keep it you have to pay for the remaining cost of the device.

If I just financed it, lower end or older phones would be $0 upfront, but high end phones be paying $500 as an example upfront on top of the financed recurring fees.

Rogers has "upfront edge" where you pay 0$ upfront for a top end device. You have to return at 2 years.

Bell does the same thing with "device return options Lower upfront costs. The choice is yours: at the end of the 2-year term, you have the option to return your smartphone in good working condition, upgrade if you wish, or keep it and pay back the Device Return Option deferral amount.

Very much leasing.

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9. shawnz ◴[14 Aug 20 14:50 UTC] No.24158639{5}[source]▶
Interesting. I am in Ontario and I hadn't noticed this trend before.