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1704 points ardit33 | 6 comments | 13 Aug 20 19:03 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source | bottom
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lordleft ◴[13 Aug 20 20:04 UTC] No.24147974[source]▶
Imagine if Microsoft did this on PCs. a) prohibiting the installation of non-windows store software (sideloading) and b) insisting that all purchases done via apps give them a 30% cut. I think this is a ridiculous practice on the behalf of Apple.
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rvz ◴[13 Aug 20 20:13 UTC] No.24148127[source]▶
Even worse. Imagine if the World Wide Web was not open and you had to go through a closed WWW like AOL and websites were "under review" by the providers and would take a 30% cut of your revenues or clicks on your web app or subscription service and websites require going only through that provider.

Thank goodness that wasn't the case.

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Seirdy ◴[13 Aug 20 20:15 UTC] No.24148178[source]▶
It could be the case if AMP grows dominant; given the market share of Google Search, it could be enough to create a controlled (er, "curated") web in a similar spirit.
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three_seagrass ◴[13 Aug 20 21:23 UTC] No.24149455[source]▶
AMP isn't enforced though. You can say 'not yet' or 'it's kind of the same' but that applies for a lot of standards.
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1. ethbro ◴[13 Aug 20 21:33 UTC] No.24149615[source]▶
It's enforced through visibility / rankings in Google Search results.

https://developers.google.com/search/docs/guides/about-amp

Isn't there a term for using dominance in one market to compel behavior in another?

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2. three_seagrass ◴[13 Aug 20 21:45 UTC] No.24149789[source]▶
Your link doesn't say that Google forces AMP on publishers. It shows that Google displays an icon next to AMP results for mobile searches to indicate the page is mobile friendly. Bing does the exact same thing: https://blogs.bing.com/Webmaster-Blog/September-2018/Introdu...

This is not enforcing AMP on publishers in the results, and the argument that it is by using icons falls under the 'it's kind of the same' category.

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3. thefucnjosh ◴[13 Aug 20 21:57 UTC] No.24149949[source]▶
There is a term for that.... I think it's either it's "abuse of dominance" or "anti-competitive behavior"
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4. refulgentis ◴[13 Aug 20 22:38 UTC] No.24150461[source]▶
to put it as plainly as possible, it's absolutely hilarious that tech people buy into these insane myths about AMP, there's a reason why no serious antitrust person brings it up, it's fighting on Google's territory - it's a wide open standard, used throughout the industry, formed in response to proprietary solutions designed to tax suppliers by Facebook and Apple, immediately and fully shared with competitors.
5. rhizome ◴[14 Aug 20 03:02 UTC] No.24152782[source]▶
It says they use site speed in ranking, and, well, I'm sure it would come as no surprise if Google's (largely) having served a page/site increases the speed just enough.
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6. three_seagrass ◴[14 Aug 20 18:03 UTC] No.24161143{3}[source]▶
If you can beat AMP load times, you will likely rank higher than AMP pages from the speed factor.

This is how you do agnostic search results, and it is not putting the thumb on the scale as you're implying.