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Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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1704 points ardit33 | 14 comments | 13 Aug 20 19:03 UTC | HN request time: 0.021s | source | bottom
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Findeton ◴[13 Aug 20 20:11 UTC] No.24148096[source]▶
I don't think this should be regulated at all. Apple should be able to impose their rules in their systems. Let's be clear about this, if people are choosing to buy these black-box closed handheld computing devices, there are consequences that come with that choice.
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swiley ◴[13 Aug 20 20:29 UTC] No.24148471[source]▶
Apple is more than welcome to put whatever rules they want on their systems. My phone is not their system though, it’s mine! If I want to run tmux/fetchmail/ocamlc on it then it’s my problem not theirs!
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1. Findeton ◴[13 Aug 20 20:38 UTC] No.24148658[source]▶
I'm sure if you install some version of Linux in your iPhone you can do whatever you want. But you're probably using iOS.
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2. swiley ◴[13 Aug 20 20:40 UTC] No.24148710[source]▶
I would install desktop Linux on my iPhone if I could but there are no drivers in mainline and they work hard to lock the bootloader down (and before someone suggests android, the intention there is just as bad but tends to be less well executed and there still aren’t suitable drivers available.)
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3. leadingthenet ◴[13 Aug 20 20:47 UTC] No.24148821[source]▶
They don’t really give you the option of installing Linux on the iPhone tho, do they?
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4. Findeton ◴[13 Aug 20 20:47 UTC] No.24148827[source]▶
Well if your intention is to install Linux in your phone maybe iPhone is not the best choice.
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5. swiley ◴[13 Aug 20 20:53 UTC] No.24148944{3}[source]▶
Give me a better choice and I’ll go buy it right now if it actually works.

Anything requiring a single android component goes in the “doesn’t actually work” category.

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6. Findeton ◴[13 Aug 20 21:20 UTC] No.24149397{4}[source]▶
Well if Apple is the best choice then there's no need to complain to them.
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7. Spivak ◴[13 Aug 20 21:24 UTC] No.24149478[source]▶
This is pretty much the whole legal theory of locked-down devices. Since you own them you're free to whatever you like to the hardware including breaking any locks preventing you from running your own software on them. But the vendor has no obligation to help, or support you in doing this.

This is pretty much the whole reason the GPLv3 exists.

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8. Spivak ◴[13 Aug 20 21:28 UTC] No.24149540{4}[source]▶
I mean the Librem 5 "works" in the way you describe.

I don't think you're going to really be able to reliably avoid the problem that very very very few people outside of AOSP are doing any work on OSS for phones.

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9. __d ◴[13 Aug 20 21:34 UTC] No.24149629{4}[source]▶
On what grounds are you demanding that Apple sell the product that you want to buy?

They sell products. Those products have well-known rules. If you don't like the rules, don't buy the product.

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10. 9HZZRfNlpR ◴[13 Aug 20 22:24 UTC] No.24150317{5}[source]▶
This sounds like some gop talking point, embarrassing.
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11. erklik ◴[14 Aug 20 01:09 UTC] No.24152015{3}[source]▶
> But the vendor has no obligation to help, or support you in doing this.

No obligation to help vs actively hindering are not really the same thing.

12. swiley ◴[14 Aug 20 11:51 UTC] No.24156673{5}[source]▶
The reason they’re the best choice is because I’m stuck with whatever OS the device ships with and android is a pretty broken OS.

Neither is nice but at least iOS gets updates.

13. swiley ◴[14 Aug 20 12:14 UTC] No.24156860{5}[source]▶
I bought a pine phone the other month when the postmarketOS version was released. I’m looking forward to getting it some time in November.
14. __d ◴[16 Aug 20 22:29 UTC] No.24181925{6}[source]▶
That's the nature of our society.

An argument can be made that it's morally wrong, but if you're going down that road, there's a lot of things should be morally more compelling than Apple's AppStore policies.