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Riot is now Element

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badrabbit ◴[] No.23843202[source]
No!!! Of all the names in the world why this. "Hey bro, let's chat on Element" ,not quite a ring to it.

The hardest problem in computer science strikes again!

Matrix,Riot and Libolm are epic projects, I wish them all the success but man, even Riot was a hard sell as a brand. I would seriously be dissapointed if it loses popularity over this. I don't think the project maintainers understand that their core users/fans are waiting for a product they can sell to friends,family and coworkers.

People who don't know tech rely on branding/brand reputation and word of mouth reputation to decide if they are intetested in even trying out a product to begin with.

Which of these is unlike the others?

1) Signal

2) Telegram

3) Element

4) Whatsapp

Hint: The theme is messaging and communication.

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1. badrabbit ◴[] No.23843381[source]
Hey, I remember seeing your reply, I didn't want to provide contact info on a public forum, and I have developed a severe allergy to email.

I am very intetested in paying for the product you linked, so long as I don't need email. I will support your product, even with imperfections so long as you remain attentive to your user's needs (hopefully being a paid product helps in that area)

And for anyone else reading, I became an instant fan of matrix/riot/element because the only thing I needed to sign up to the matrix.org home server was username,password and pass a captcha! No email! Same with HN(minus captcha). If this wasn't but a petty annoyance compared to all the real problems of the world, I would be protesting and holding flag burnings with RFC2822 on the flag! (We all have pet peeves :) )

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2. LunaSea ◴[] No.23843438[source]
In places like the European Union, it is illegal for example to provide subscription payments without notifying customers before payment renewal (which requires an email address).
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3. rglullis ◴[] No.23843476[source]
No, you don't need email to signup or register. Just email/password.

You can invite other people to join the site, and yes, that is basically asking people to put an email address to notify your friends. I might implement later a referral/voucher system to make it easy to invite someone to join your paid contract without having to provide an email, but this is somewhat of a lower priority during the soft launch. Documentation and easier onboarding are definitely bigger tickets on my list.

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4. rglullis ◴[] No.23843507{3}[source]
Given that is a very complicated ordeal to do subscription payments with crypto (impossible with Bitcoin, requires transaction with custom contracts if you want to do with Ethereum), my initial implementation uses a basic pay-as-you-go account system. If you "subscribe" to my service, you need to ensure that you keep the balance positive otherwise your account gets disconnected on a failed charge.
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5. badrabbit ◴[] No.23843612{3}[source]
You can notify without email though. If the patform itself is communication related they can send you in-app message.
6. rglullis ◴[] No.23843639{3}[source]
I didn't see it as goal-post move, rather a reaffirmation of a previous conversation we had. He did say before that he does not want to provide email to sign up and that he wants to pay with crypto. Both these things were already on my roadmap.
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7. staz ◴[] No.23843701{4}[source]
If it was already discussed I guess that's fine then my bad.

edit: btw in the footer of your site, the links under service s are broken

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8. rglullis ◴[] No.23843765{5}[source]
Yeah, thanks for checking it out.

Documentation still coming up, and the links will be correct as soon as I actually publish the pages from the CMS.

9. literallycancer ◴[] No.23844155{4}[source]
You could show LN invoice (QR code) right in the app when that happens.
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10. rglullis ◴[] No.23844363{5}[source]
That is an interesting idea, but (1) assumes the user added my support account as a contact and (2) might create a phishing vector.
11. rglullis ◴[] No.23844569{3}[source]
Just realized that I meant you need only username/password. To reiterate, email is not needed at all.