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macspoofing ◴[14 Jul 20 12:25 UTC] No.23831020[source]▶
The China-US tensions are not going to get better, and, in fact, will get worse as years go by. More and more nations will be forced to choose sides. It's not good and I'm not sure what a resolution even looks like.
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est31 ◴[14 Jul 20 12:39 UTC] No.23831126[source]▶
A resolution is difficult. China is a totalitarian country and totalitarianism needs to be fought, but I doubt that a democratic China would be any different when it comes to their claims to the world. They'd want to expand just as they want to expand now. Just look at the various western colonial empires of history. Many of them were democracies in some form or fashion.

Any long term resolution to the conflict has to involve the realization that China has had 100 bad years and now has a giant comeback. And that the US has had 60 good years but now large parts of it decline.

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1. sudosysgen ◴[14 Jul 20 19:31 UTC] No.23836632[source]▶
What is the solution for totalitarianism? Destruction of the country, plunging millions into poverty, for it to be replaced by a sham democracy where all the levers of power are behind US interests? How did that work out in Iraq?

If you want China to stop being totalitarian, then you should wait until most Chinese citizens decide that they don't approve of the ruling party, and then let them decide what to replace it with. You cannot force democracy.

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2. rafaelm ◴[15 Jul 20 03:54 UTC] No.23841135[source]▶
Yeah, I'm sure the CCP is going to let the citizens decide...
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3. sudosysgen ◴[15 Jul 20 04:43 UTC] No.23841411[source]▶
The idea is that if Chinese citizens are going to want democracy, they will have to take it. There is no way anyone else can give it to them. Least of any the US, and possibly the worst way to get a Marxist-Leninist state (this time, four times the size of the USSR!) to relinquish power is to create economic isolation in the midst of an upcoming crisis of capitalism as we have already cut off a sizeable chunk of the world.

In any case, you can rest assured that if the Chinese have to choose between Yeltsin and the CCP, they will choose the latter 100% of the times. Democracy cannot be forced.

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