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Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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293 points doener | 2 comments | 14 Jul 20 12:06 UTC | HN request time: 0.433s | source
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AndyMcConachie[dead post] ◴[14 Jul 20 12:39 UTC] No.23831133[source]▶
I'm constantly seeing westerners whine about Chinese human rights violations while simultaneously ignoring the HR violations occurring everywhere else, especially in the west. American cops routinely kill people. Yet, how many people have died in Hong Kong because of their protests?

The notion that China lacks 'proper civil society' is in my mind rooted in a western sense of orientalism and good old fashioned racism. I'm no defender of China, but let's recognize that the same nations trying to punish China because 'human rights'(US, UK) are the same ones responsible for killing close to 1 million Iraqis and creating the largest humanitarian crisis on earth(Yemen).

Waterfall ◴[14 Jul 20 12:47 UTC] No.23831212[source]▶
China puts their own citizens in concentration camps. They're using machine learning to generate social scores. If you don't like America or the UK, you can leave. Try doing that in China. Dying in a free zone is preferable to the enslavement that the Chinese are subjected to. Freedom has a price, and it's not racist to not like these horrible cultural values or to go against them.
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MaxBarraclough ◴[14 Jul 20 12:51 UTC] No.23831255[source]▶
> China puts their own citizens in concentration camps.

The usual counterpoint here is the US incarceration rate.

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jaekash ◴[14 Jul 20 12:55 UTC] No.23831302[source]▶
A prison is not a concentration camp, US has a justice system with the right to trial and appeal, and if the people in prison actually committed crimes then I'm not sure what the problem is.
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1. jk20 ◴[14 Jul 20 13:04 UTC] No.23831403[source]▶
Even people in concentration camps went through legal proceedings of sorts. See e.g. the infamous Article 58 of Soviet penal code.

You can always tweak law to make criminal out of anyone inconvenient. Wasn't Assange's consensual sex relegated to rape?

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2. jaekash ◴[14 Jul 20 13:08 UTC] No.23831451[source]▶
> You can always tweak law to make criminal out of anyone inconvenient.

And this would be immoral and if you are suggesting the US is doing this you would need to actually back that up.

> Wasn't Assange's consensual sex relegated to rape?

Even if it was, that is not an example of tweaking the law to make a criminal out of anyone inconvenient, it is a case of tweaking the truth to fit the definition of something which is a crime, and should be a crime.