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Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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293 points doener | 11 comments | 14 Jul 20 12:06 UTC | HN request time: 0.592s | source | bottom
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AndyMcConachie[dead post] ◴[14 Jul 20 12:39 UTC] No.23831133[source]▶
I'm constantly seeing westerners whine about Chinese human rights violations while simultaneously ignoring the HR violations occurring everywhere else, especially in the west. American cops routinely kill people. Yet, how many people have died in Hong Kong because of their protests?

The notion that China lacks 'proper civil society' is in my mind rooted in a western sense of orientalism and good old fashioned racism. I'm no defender of China, but let's recognize that the same nations trying to punish China because 'human rights'(US, UK) are the same ones responsible for killing close to 1 million Iraqis and creating the largest humanitarian crisis on earth(Yemen).

Waterfall ◴[14 Jul 20 12:47 UTC] No.23831212[source]▶
China puts their own citizens in concentration camps. They're using machine learning to generate social scores. If you don't like America or the UK, you can leave. Try doing that in China. Dying in a free zone is preferable to the enslavement that the Chinese are subjected to. Freedom has a price, and it's not racist to not like these horrible cultural values or to go against them.
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1. MaxBarraclough ◴[14 Jul 20 12:51 UTC] No.23831255[source]▶
> China puts their own citizens in concentration camps.

The usual counterpoint here is the US incarceration rate.

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2. jaekash ◴[14 Jul 20 12:55 UTC] No.23831302[source]▶
A prison is not a concentration camp, US has a justice system with the right to trial and appeal, and if the people in prison actually committed crimes then I'm not sure what the problem is.
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3. p49k ◴[14 Jul 20 12:58 UTC] No.23831339[source]▶
Many people in prison in the US did not commit the crime they were accused of; thanks to wildly inflated sentencing, many people choose a 1-year plea bargain over a 10-15 year roll of the dice.
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4. jaekash ◴[14 Jul 20 13:01 UTC] No.23831373{3}[source]▶
> Many people in prison in the US did not commit crimes;

By all means cite %, and still does not make it a concentration camp.

Further the DAs are themselves elected locally in many jurisdictions or appointed by locally elected officials and people can vote for change if they want it.

5. ceilingcorner ◴[14 Jul 20 13:01 UTC] No.23831378{3}[source]▶
Still not even remotely comparable to the legal system in communist China.

This whataboutism really needs to stop.

6. jk20 ◴[14 Jul 20 13:04 UTC] No.23831403[source]▶
Even people in concentration camps went through legal proceedings of sorts. See e.g. the infamous Article 58 of Soviet penal code.

You can always tweak law to make criminal out of anyone inconvenient. Wasn't Assange's consensual sex relegated to rape?

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7. ecocentrik ◴[14 Jul 20 13:05 UTC] No.23831416[source]▶
There's also indefinite detention and family separations at temporary immigration detention facilities.

Most of the people in the US who make a stink about the Uighurs and forget about US human rights transgressions would quickly forget about the Uighurs if they moved in next door.

8. jaekash ◴[14 Jul 20 13:08 UTC] No.23831451{3}[source]▶
> You can always tweak law to make criminal out of anyone inconvenient.

And this would be immoral and if you are suggesting the US is doing this you would need to actually back that up.

> Wasn't Assange's consensual sex relegated to rape?

Even if it was, that is not an example of tweaking the law to make a criminal out of anyone inconvenient, it is a case of tweaking the truth to fit the definition of something which is a crime, and should be a crime.

9. dsomers ◴[14 Jul 20 13:08 UTC] No.23831457[source]▶
When a fifteen year old can be put into prison for years in some U.S. states for some weed it hardly makes makes the U.S. look like it values human rights. It’s more akin to the U.S. being ‘the skinniest kid in fat camp.’ Congratulations on being better than China and Saudi Arabia I guess...
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10. jaekash ◴[14 Jul 20 13:21 UTC] No.23831586{3}[source]▶
> When a fifteen year old can be put into prison for years in some U.S. states for some weed it hardly makes makes the U.S. look like it values human rights.

Would like to see some examples of this, and numbers of this. I really doubt this is widespread.

And further, if it does happen, it would have to get through prosecutors, jury, governors, etc - all of who will completely eaten alive by the press if the kid could even be misinterpreted to be a minority in the USA and the whole world would know about it. Where if someone mentions China is not exactly a good actor we get a whataboutism shitstorm.

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11. Larrikin ◴[14 Jul 20 20:38 UTC] No.23837519{4}[source]▶
There were judges that were convicted of sending black kids to for profit prisons they held stock in. Believing there isn't systemic racism in the prosecutorial system at this point is the same as believing there isn't systemic racism in policing. Just because you aren't personally affected doesn't mean a problem isn't wide spread.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand and was another whataboutism off shoot from the main topic.