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How do you justify being a citizen of your country? (not sure what country that is, but most of them have done bad things in the past). It's possible to be a part of a large organization and not agree with its every action.

It's not really the same though - I can choose to work for an organisation, whereas I don't get to choose where I am born.

This is a very poor comparison since nobody chooses their original country of citizenship and it usually takes lots of money or familial connection to obtain citizenship elsewhere.

People are plopped into existence as a citizen of a country. Not quite the same as choosing to work somewhere.

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I have much less mobility as a US citizen to move to another country than I have as a software engineer. Almost any Google employee could have an offer somewhere else within 3 weeks of starting their search.

This analogy holds water about as well as a sieve. You can't shop around citizenship in most other countries. You can't just willy-nilly decide to renounce citizenship in one and go become a citizen in another. I'm sure people will jump in here with counter examples but I'm also sure they'll be the exception and not the norm. You're also born into citizenship. Comparing citizenship to the job market just seems so silly.

Bit easier to change employer than citizenship.

You couldn't move to Canada easily?

To begin with, citizenship is forced upon you. You don't have a choice about it. Yes, you can (in some cases) renounce it, though that's quite a momentous task - it involved pretty much cancelling your existing life, and takes many years. And as you say - most other countries may be worse - and the ones that aren't may not accept you either way.

Not working for Google, in particular, is extremely easy. Something that roughly 99.999% of the world's population succeeds at without even trying :-) And most people who are working for Google are also likely to be able to find another job quite easily.

The two are not comparable. At all. In any way or form.

I don't have a degree; they won't take me. I have looked into it many times, but the difficulty of moving to another country (at least to ones which I find it easier to be proud of living in) is very high, especially compared to that of moving to another employer.

This is, by the way, why I support much more open borders than we have now. There is a humanitarian case to be made, but I also have a strong desire to be able to pack up and leave when I disagree with my country's government.

I would have a stronger civic spirit if I were a willing member of my country rather than a prisoner.

Canadian here:

It's not as easy as you might expect, through normal channels. There's a points system to gain access and a whole lot of hoops to jump through if you aren't able to pay for the economic class.

Now, if you were to walk across the border at certain locations and claim refugee status you could probably remain so long as your application is being processed; regardless of the merits of your claim, that process time has become _rather long_.

As a US citizen you are entitled to so many things that most people out there could only dream of.

That's not the point though. Google is so large that it's just weird to talk about the morality of its employees in the context of the company's decisions.

It's more similar to working for a local government. Like should you be a school bus driver in Arizona, given their record?

Nice mental gymnastics. There's always a choice to not support the country by not participating in its economy and becoming a hermit. Ah, but that's inconvenient!

It's suprisingly hard to move there if you're from the USA. I looked into moving there after I got out of the military, and had no chance because I don't have a degree. The fact that I have over a decade of work experience in cybersecurity and have been through intense courses acredited at the graduate level doesn't factor in. Their immigration process reminds me of the shitty HR at big corporations that aren't willing to budge from their checklist of "requirements".

Uhuh. Are you Ted Kaczynski then out in the wilderness right now using the internet through a satellite dish?

Compared to most other western countries, sure, Canada is on the easier side.

However, even with that in mind, it is still a very difficult and complicated process, with tons of hard limitations that can put a complete stop to the whole thing due to something trivial, like not having a degree. And even with that barrier of hard requirements cleared, it is still a pretty draconian experience.

Having gone through a similar thing myself (not with Canada, but I ended up coincidentally reading a lot about Canadian immigration laws), I can assure you, it is way more difficult than getting any job, even if you are a successful Google engineer, and by a far margin.

I am pretty sure that any person who went through an immigration process to another country can attest to that. And I am talking purely about the legal-paper-stuff aspect of immigration to another country, not things like getting adapted to your new country or anything like that.

Despite his violence and present incarceration, Ted remains a serious thought leader in anarcho-primitivism.

> Compared to most other western countries, sure, Canada is on the easier side.

Our process isn't that easy; we have an immigration system that the GOP would _like to have_.

There are points awarded based on your education and training, variated against the demand for those skills in Canada. If you are being imported by an employer they must go to considerable lengths to prove that they attempted to find an existing Canadian to fill that role. And so on.

And it can be all avoided by paying approximately $800,000 to what is effectively an escrow: you get it back after a few years, less inflation.

>Our process isn't that easy

That was the whole point of my comment. Out of all western countries, Canada is definitely one of the easiest. But even with that in mind, it is still extremely difficult.

You're still here?!8-))