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ryanmccullagh ◴[] No.22890015[source]
So with Stripe, is it industry practice to keep the fee when refunding customers?

For example, if I return something to Best Buy, are they still paying that 2.9% fee to their CC processor?

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notatoad ◴[] No.22890226[source]
i don't know about best buy, they might be able to negotiate something better. but for small fish, it's standard practice to keep not just the fee, but twice the fee: when you charge a card, visa charges you 2.5% on the purchase amount. and then when you refund the card, visa charges you 2.5% on the refund amount.

as far as visa is concerned, they're both just transactions, regardless of the direction, and they want their fee.

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lisper ◴[] No.22890317[source]
IMHO it is time to start promulgating the idea that electronic money transfer should be considered a basic human right just like free cash transactions have been since the invention of money. It already is that way in many advanced countries where electronic money transfer is a service provided by the government. It is only in the U.S. where a private monopolistic cartel is allowed to impose a private tax on all retail transactions.
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1. Znafon ◴[] No.22890389[source]
In what countries can you do free electronic transactions?
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2. xrendan ◴[] No.22890439[source]
Canada if you want to pay the Interac (our debit system).
3. lisper ◴[] No.22890463[source]
U.K. and South Korea are the two that I know of but there are probably others. (According to the sibling comment, Canada is on the list too.)
4. parsadotsh ◴[] No.22890477[source]
China, for one. (in Beijing atm)
5. siod ◴[] No.22890528[source]
Australia has free bank transfers and our credit card fees are regulated to be significantly lower (amex = ~1.5%, visa/mc = ~0.5%).
6. tialaramex ◴[] No.22890693[source]
If you're a business basically nowhere. Some of the sibling comments are suggesting e.g. the UK where I live. Modestly sized transactions (maybe not the price of a new car or home but from pocket change to a nice family holiday) between individuals are zero cost and typically near instant. But a business can't access those rates.

However the EU forced the payment services sector to cap charges for businesses so you're maybe paying 0.5% or less on a transaction not 2.5% and that's why you don't see amazing cashback card deals or big discounts for cash in the EU normally.

7. malandrew ◴[] No.22912561[source]
Despite what anyone says, the answer is none. Taxes are paying for those electronic transactions to be possible.