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    jasonpbecker ◴[] No.21973446[source]
    Goodreads is desperately in need of a strong competitor.
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    1. prophesi ◴[] No.21973686[source]
    I recommend https://www.librarything.com/

    Sadly, any Goodreads competitor will need to miraculously gain the network effect; everyone you know is on Goodreads, so it'll just be you and whoever you can convince to move to a new platform.

    As for the downsides for Goodreads, this blatant lack of moderation is troublesome. I also dislike that Kindle / Amazon are the only visible links to purchase books by default. Amazon already dominates the ebook/audiobook market, so I also simply dislike Goodreads due to their acquisition by Amazon.

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    2. caiocaiocaio ◴[] No.21973967[source]
    It's quite good, and I really like their automatically-generated recommendations BUT there is a small fee, and I have a knee-jerk reaction to anything on the internet that asks me for money.
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    3. prophesi ◴[] No.21974088[source]
    Odd, I have a knee-jerk reaction when I see a service offered for "free."
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    4. gravitas ◴[] No.21974361[source]
    You get up to 200 books at LibraryThing for free, then it's either a $10/yr or $25/once for life. If you're using the service to that degree (>200 books) then you know the value of the service and should be willing to pay a little in return. TANSTAAFL
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    5. thiagomgd ◴[] No.21974476[source]
    As I don't care much about the social network aspect, I would use a competitor that offers better functionality. Unfortunately library thing's homepage makes it seem like it's not updated for a few years, which makes me wonder if it's worth migrating for a platform that might not be actively maintained anymore.
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    6. varenc ◴[] No.21974546[source]
    When Goodreads started out, Facebook's API was much more open. After you authorized Goodreads they'd have all of your Facebook friends and would proceed to spam them asking them to signup for Goodreads. The openness of Facebook's API was probably very critical to their early growth.

    These days though, the FB API has been locked down and basically can't be used for growing your userbase anymore. Any new startups in this space won't have the social graph advantage that Goodreads did. Sad.

    7. caiocaiocaio ◴[] No.21974744{3}[source]
    I wouldn't think twice about buying something nice from a store for $25 dollars.

    Once upon a time I bought something online for about $10 from what was a legitimate business with an address in San Francisco. About 14 months later they claimed I subscribed to some service and started making huge charges to my card ($150/week). Getting them to stop and getting my money back was an enormously stressful and difficult process.

    That's why I have a knee-jerk reaction - not a cold, logical reaction - to online purchases from companies I haven't used before, and I'm not the only person like that.

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    8. djrogers ◴[] No.21975166{4}[source]
    > Getting them to stop and getting my money back was an enormously stressful and difficult process.

    I've had incorrect subscription charges on one of my cards, and while it was minorly annoying (a search on the card website, fill out a form, repeat one more time the second month it happened) I can't imagine a scenario where it would be "enormously stressful and difficult".

    Your card issuer is required to respond when you report fraudulent charges, and if they don't you need a new bank.

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    9. thiagomgd ◴[] No.21975648{5}[source]
    you're assuming that based on your case. Maybe on countries outside US it can be a pain to do that?
    10. gravitas ◴[] No.21975705{4}[source]
    Understood, perhaps my experience will help. I have had an account since 2014 according to their site, and I think I purchased my $25 lifetime in Jan or Feb 2014 (fuzzy memory - might have been cheaper back then? sale?) as I had more than 200 books I wanted to import from Goodreads, that I do remember. (I'm a very lightweight user by book nerd standards, only about 450 books as of today)

    I've had no negative fallout from purchasing a subscription, and they have very good privacy controls for those who don't want the social aspect (so you can basically turn off other user interactions in many ways). It's there when I need it, doesn't seem to spam me and I probably paid with Paypal (I use Paypal as a way to not give 3rd parties my CC info, a proxy if you will) like most things.

    It may look old school and appear at a glance like it's not maintained, but it's updated and run actively, there are a bajillion people using LibraryThing. Logging in to look at my account, there's a link on the right for the latest news posted today about "The January ER Batch is up! We've got 2,960 copies of 89 titles this month." (early reviewer books) https://www.librarything.com/er/list

    11. rodgerd ◴[] No.21984993[source]
    They're actively maintained and I get newsletters and so on from them.

    They thing is, on another level: they're done. They offer excellent cataloguing and the ability to share your reviews and so on and so forth. What more do they need to add? A visual refresh every few years? At this point I'd rather they spend the money their customers pay them on keeping things running, not adding crap no-one cares about, surveillance capitalism anti-features, or whatever.

    12. rodgerd ◴[] No.21985004{3}[source]
    Exactly. If I'm not paying for it, how are they making money? Burning cash and going broke soon? Surveillance capitalism?

    I like a simpler and more transparent relationship.