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KaoruAoiShiho ◴[] No.21191959[source]
Absolutely agree, it's time for American video games to stop publishing in China. It's not worth the Chinese influence on our society.
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Shivetya ◴[] No.21192116[source]
American video games? What about American companies that have factories there or other presence there? Hello Apple! Hello Tesla! Hello Google.

Blizzard has been bending over backwards for some time with regards to China but this is the first time I remember them taking action against someone who does not work for them.

the simple matter is, you cannot pick and choose, all the companies must be shamed into not bending to China's censorship because it won't be long before such actions suddenly show in law; not that some of the speech regulations in the EU aren't close as it is with regards to what you can and cannot say with regards to religions

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missosoup ◴[] No.21192424[source]
What factories?

Everyone already has or currently is moving manufacturing operations from China to Viet Nam or India.

5 more years and the only factories China will have are going to be domestic.

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echelon ◴[] No.21192583[source]
If we're going to repeat the same cycle with Vietnam and India, we'd do well to encourage democracy this go-around.

If we elevate authoritarian countries to our level, democracy may be in for a rough future.

We should be learning a lot from the China situation. Modern China proves that authoritarian capitalism works and that you don't need freedom or liberty for your citizens. And that's incredibly scary.

Imagine if that meme spreads to democratic countries...

We need to be handling this situation with urgency. As bad and as pressing an issue as climate change is, this is much more terrifying.

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1. freeopinion ◴[] No.21194619[source]
How intriguing that "we" automatically move the cycle to Vietnam and India. If "we" means USA, why not just move the cycle into the USA. If "we" is Germany or Australia or Norway, why not move the cycle into your own borders?

One obvious reason is cost. Why is it so much cheaper to manufacture in China or Vietnam?

1. Labor costs. Democracy can lead to safer, healthier, more expensive working conditions.

2. Environmental protections. Democracy can lead to safer, healthier, more sustainable, more expensive pollution controls.

If you want to push production out of China and into Malaysia or Vietnam or wherever instead of into your own backyard, I question your real commitment to democracy or human rights.

I am as guilty as anybody else. I want to purchase $2 SOCs and $0.01 resistors for my hobby. I don't buy them from Texas because anything produced in Texas is too expensive. (Read: more expensive than alternatives.) I buy from some place with undrinkable water, unbreathable air, and children missing fingers and eyes. If you show me pictures of those children I might try to pay a tiny bit more (but only a tiny bit) to buy from some place that doesn't yet have reporters taking pictures.

The truth is that I don't know anybody producing MCU in Australia or USA or Norway. I'm not sure it's even possible with the restrictions those governments impose. If it is possible to do it, it is not practical.

If I support a government that makes it that difficult to impossible to manufacture domestically in an irresponsible manner--and I do whole-heartedly support such governments--why am I willing to support manufacturers outside those requirements? Why do I drive misbehavior out of my neighborhood and embrace it in other neighborhoods?

Conversely, if you and I are willing to accept the behavior of manufacturers in Thailand or Laos, shouldn't we allow that same behavior from manufacturers in our own backyards?