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diveanon ◴[] No.21190558[source]
Can we please start a cultural movement that forces large corporations to choose between appeasing Chinese censors and looking like fools to the rest of the west or getting banned in China.

Really seems like a win win scenario.

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nabla9 ◴[] No.21190677[source]
How about Chinese owners?

Chinese Tencent owns 5 percent of Blizzard, if full owner of Riot Games, 48% of Epic Games, 11.5% of Bluehole (Fortnite and PUBG), 5% of Ubisoft. They are also investor in Discord. https://www.pcgamer.com/every-game-company-that-tencent-has-...

AMC is fully owned by Chinese. The largest movie theater chain in the United States is fully owned by Chinese.

Legendary Entertainment Group is owned by Chinese.

Forbes Media sold majority stake to Chinese company.

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diveanon ◴[] No.21190726[source]
Make them choose between the two markets.

I'm tired of the idea that the Western and Chinese markets can both be appeased the middle of the road morality.

What is happening in HK right now is wrong, and the west has fought wars over this very issue.

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1. hyperdunc ◴[] No.21190782[source]
It's the authoritarian Chinese government insisting on censorship. Not so much the Chinese market.
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2. ianleeclark ◴[] No.21190854[source]
Furthermore, the western market is more than happy to comply with the censorship.
3. ameen ◴[] No.21190906[source]
Chinese propaganda is well-spread. I had a Chinese roommate, well educated to boot - PhD in Econ from Columbia, and I could feel the reverence he had for Mao even though his ancestors were landlords.
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4. esailija ◴[] No.21191025[source]
authoritarian government is a tautology
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5. hyperdunc ◴[] No.21191062[source]
I've traveled throughout eastern China and I've encountered this indoctrination many times when talking to otherwise reasonable people.

But despite the widespread nationalist zealotry, most ordinary folk still seem to enjoy bootlegging Western media choc full of Western morality. They're not trying to ban it.

Though of course China does have its very own PC police that are encouraged by the government.

6. hyperdunc ◴[] No.21191085[source]
Different forms and examples of government exhibit relatively different levels of authoritarianism. Communist governments are invariably more authoritarian than liberal democracies.
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7. lucian1900 ◴[] No.21191108[source]
He realises that being a landlord is immoral. Nothing wrong with that.

Read Mao's "On Contradiction".

8. esailija ◴[] No.21191192{3}[source]
If that's true then your comment still doesn't make sense. As there cannot be non-authoritarian government, calling a government authoritarian makes objectively no sense and is just meant to provoke emotions obviously.
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9. yters ◴[] No.21191319[source]
Similar experience. He said Mao had to make hard choices as a leader to propel his country forward. I asked him why India didn't have to starve millions to do the same thing.
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10. whoevercares ◴[] No.21191367[source]
Mao’s picture has been greatly undermined after 2000s as even the CCP history book said he made terrible mistakes and there were several wide spread videos criticizing Mao. His time has been long gone and only a little respect passed to the next gen mainly from grandparents.

It’ll be interesting if you could talk with him regarding his position for the government, recent issues and long term policy. My bet is he’ll be super supportive and you might be surprised that “greater good” trade off is well accepted

11. whoevercares ◴[] No.21191411{3}[source]
After 1949, Mao barely did anything right and I’m surprised if any Chinese born after 90s would still defend him. But I doubt India is such a great example, we probably all have seen photos of the Gange
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12. yourbandsucks ◴[] No.21191546[source]
Lots of Americans express admiration for our founders and institutions too, though. Flags and conspicuous patriotism are everywhere in our country.

It's possible that that's just normalized for you but it seems jarring when you see someone revering a 'commie'. The programming runs deep on all sides.

13. BubRoss ◴[] No.21191581{4}[source]
Are you comparing a polluted river to the deaths of millions?
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14. whoevercares ◴[] No.21191613{5}[source]
Polluted by dead bodies...
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15. yters ◴[] No.21191741{6}[source]
From flooding or what? Seems like there is a difference...
16. hyperdunc ◴[] No.21191988{4}[source]
All government is authoritarian but not to an equivalent extent. From a liberal point of view the current Chinese government is relatively authoritarian, as evidenced by many things including recent examples of censorship.
17. BubRoss ◴[] No.21194706{6}[source]
You do realize that floating a family member's body down the Ganges is considered a sacred ritual and that what you just said has nothing to do with mass deaths due to negligence right?
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18. whoevercares ◴[] No.21198064{7}[source]
I admit I didn’t know about the ritual part, but just a little google show me this:

-https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unnao_dead_bodies_row

And many sources mention they did this just because they can’t afford proper cremation.

Another funny picture is Train with many people attached outside, not sure if that’s another convention or custom :)