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loquor ◴[] No.21126953[source]
This might sound alarmist, but do you think China is the biggest upcoming global problem after climate change? For two reasons:

1. China has a totalitarian ruling system. They intend to realize George Orwell's 1984.

2. Present-day China essentially has no ethics. Take the US in comparison. No matter how perverse the people in power become and even if they do messed up things, the US has some founding morals and principles they do not forget. China, in comparison, systematically rooted out these values since the Great Leap Forward. The happenings at Hong Kong and Xinjiang epitomize that.

I do think China's expansionist policy bodes poorly for all of humanity.

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jhedwards ◴[] No.21127780[source]
> Present-day China essentially has no ethics

Source? I lived in China and didn't ever feel like I was in a place without ethics. Different ethics, sure, but it really looks to me like you simply don't know or understand China.

The Great Leap Forward had nothing to do with routing out values, it was about hyper-fast industrialization, and it failed.

There are real problems with modern China, and, separately, with the CCP, for example a lack of separation of powers and a lack of rule of law. But your statements look much more like fear of the other and demonization of what you don't understand that well reasoned arguments.

If you live in China, you'll experience some things that are much better than they are in western countries. I'm not saying there's any comparison really, but the fact is that the reality is far more complex than you're making it out to be.

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SimbaOnSteroids ◴[] No.21127979[source]
If you kill political dissidents and harvest their organs as part of an active genocide campaign, you lose any claim at behaving ethically. Ethics are measured by the actions you take that you'd rather not advertise.
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netsharc ◴[] No.21128377[source]
Is it whataboutism to mention toddlers in cages here? It seems both governments have their gas chamber moments...
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1. takamh ◴[] No.21129299[source]
No it's not. This isn't Reddit where any average Joe thinks whataboutism is the answer to any evidence they don't agree with.
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2. SimbaOnSteroids ◴[] No.21129424[source]
Yes it is, the treatment of children at the border is also horrendous, it also has literally nothing to do with china and ethics.
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3. takamh ◴[] No.21130003[source]
And here you see first-hand the decline in the quality of discourse in HN
4. netsharc ◴[] No.21135304[source]
You claim the organ harvesting means the whole government can't claim to have ethics, I think that's just stupid absolutism (the world doesn't work with Boolean logic), and my counter-example is to ask if the US government can claim to be ethical given that we know they've put toddlers in cages.

I can probably give out examples of "unethical" behavior for every government on this planet, and then no one will be ethical any more. What then?