it's not enough to call everyone here "dumb" or "sheeps," because all of the middle-class americans on this wretched forum are specifically acting in their self-interest by helping (in whatever pathetic way they can) to topple china. just because they won't admit to this outright and instead take advantage of careful language ("democracy" etc.) doesn't make them dumb. historically it has made them a real threat and that it is exactly why china has to issue such tight command over this conflict (and the "uyghur problems", and "free tibet", and "tank man", and ...). luckily american hegemony is waning and the front against china will fail. just sit, wait and enjoy the shit show.
Probably more just believe the current government of China should behave differently.
also it's important to note that not everyone in the U.S. who is exposed to U.S. propaganda is going to develop the same opinion (specifically those internally colonized nations such as immigrants and people of color otherwise). so why the hacker news crowd, why reddit, why twitter? the answer is so obvious it hurts. so my comment cannot convince 99.9% of the people who read it but perhaps there are one or two people to whom i can offer some solace (such as the OP of this chain). not interested in debate