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Information operations directed at Hong Kong

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1116 points whatok | 17 comments | 19 Aug 19 18:11 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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groundlogic ◴[19 Aug 19 18:58 UTC] No.20740667[source]▶
I don't think HN is immune to these kinds of CCP ops.
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1. kelnos ◴[19 Aug 19 19:05 UTC] No.20740746[source]▶
I doubt HN is even on the CCP's radar. Not only are we a low-value target, we're much harder to subvert.
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2. whatshisface ◴[19 Aug 19 19:17 UTC] No.20740861[source]▶
If HN's view of itself is even 1% accurate, then hundreds of current and future billionares hang out here. ;)
3. Chirael ◴[19 Aug 19 19:18 UTC] No.20740883[source]▶
Probably true. But I notice, not infrequently, that stuff which is posted to HN ends up showing up on other news sites a day or two later. So I get the feeling some reporters/writers mine HN for content/ideas regularly which would make it more of an influencer and thus attractive. But still probably unlikely TBH.
4. guerrilla ◴[19 Aug 19 19:28 UTC] No.20740958[source]▶
Propaganda casts a wide net. It isn't micromanaged.
5. groundlogic ◴[19 Aug 19 19:29 UTC] No.20740969[source]▶
Right. This part of the work is left to the foreign-living chinese nationalistic diaspora. They get their directions from the CCP nonetheless.

Again, for casual readers: Chinese people in the US who don't support squashing democracy fighters in HK (I think/hope that's the vast majority of them - maybe more hope now that I'm being downvoted) are awesome.

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6. isostatic ◴[19 Aug 19 19:46 UTC] No.20741132[source]▶
HN isn’t even blocked in China
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7. munificent ◴[19 Aug 19 19:52 UTC] No.20741182[source]▶
> we're much harder to subvert.

Surely, "I'm confident I'm not gullible" is the primary risk factor for actually being gullible.

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8. NicoJuicy ◴[19 Aug 19 20:00 UTC] No.20741253[source]▶
Sometimes it is, depends on the main articles
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10. klingonopera ◴[19 Aug 19 20:08 UTC] No.20741324[source]▶
...but it's actually because we are aware that we are gullible that makes a difference, not because we consider ourselves immune to it.

At least, that's how I see it...

11. jrockway ◴[19 Aug 19 20:13 UTC] No.20741372{3}[source]▶
Many years ago, I flew HKG-PVG-NRT. When I was in the lounge at Shanghai I opened up my laptop to relax and peruse HN. I typed in the URL and ... nothing. "Stupid Linux WiFi, sigh," I thought to myself. After a bit more investigation, I realized that it was only HN that didn't work. "Oh yeah..." I realized.

Fortunately, HN was also blocked where I worked at the time, so I already had a proxy set up. That worked fine. How subversive of me!

12. tathougies ◴[19 Aug 19 20:18 UTC] No.20741409[source]▶
Well, a Chinese bot told him he's not gullible, so he has that going for him.
13. mythrwy ◴[19 Aug 19 20:27 UTC] No.20741473[source]▶
Devils advocate. Perhaps it's less they get directions and more they actually hold those views.

Which, we could say is because brainwashing since youth and perhaps there is some truth to that.

But I think likely the biggest thing is the same thing that motivates everyone else. Self interest. They want to see an expanded China with greater say in world events and greater share of the economic pie. Because it would benefit them. They see disruption or anything anti CCP as contrary to that goal.

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15. ryacko ◴[19 Aug 19 21:35 UTC] No.20742040[source]▶
Imagine the workflow for the average PR department. Discover mentions of key terms and phrases, and when they occur, create an account and engage when future mentions are made.

Bureaucracies have no rational sense.

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17. shalmanese ◴[24 Aug 19 01:00 UTC] No.20784410[source]▶
It started being blocked a few weeks into the HK protests. I currently can't access it from my home ISP without VPN.