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rdsubhas ◴[] No.16728163[source]
> We will never sell your data or use it to target ads. Period.

Won't sell != Won't collect

> We will never log your IP address (the way other companies identify you)

Never log IP != Never log anything

Bonus: The way other companies identify you ~= There are other ways

Edit: Looks like many people assume I'm nitpicking. So here are more specific questions:

* Is logging a hashcode of the IP considered as "not logging the IP"?

* Can combination of timestamp, packet info other than end IP (latency, hops, etc), geoIP and other factors be used for deep intelligence?

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superkuh ◴[] No.16728191[source]
And since it's cloudflare if some site's politics don't align with the owner's politics they'll just block it arbitrarily.
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manigandham ◴[] No.16729103[source]
It's a private organization with no monopoly and lots of competition. Free speech doesn't apply here.

Also Cloudflare gets vastly more negative opinions that they don't check enough and serve too many unsavory sites so it seems there's no way to win with the HN crowd.

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superkuh ◴[] No.16730930[source]
It set the precedent that they do filtering. It is now being used in legal cases against Cloudflare by companies suing them to force them to filter other things.

Any censorship immediately leads to massive censorship even if they don't want to expand it. That's why it has to be stopped at the start; not done at all. Dumb pipe or censorship pipe.

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1. manigandham ◴[] No.16731968[source]
No business is completely a dumb pipe, the DMCA provisions are very specific and are increasingly overruled once enough (copyrighted) content is in place.

Cloudflare also specifically removed that site for a stated reason that they claimed CF was helping them. That is outside the bounds of the site content itself and is a perfectly fine argument to stop doing business based on libel and misrepresentation.