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1.1.1.1: Fast, privacy-first consumer DNS service

(blog.cloudflare.com)
1895 points _l4jh | 13 comments | 01 Apr 18 12:14 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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ajross ◴[01 Apr 18 12:37 UTC] No.16727942[source]▶
This is the Cloudflare resolver, right? What's the "privacy-first" part about? It's just another third party DNS host. They haven't changed the protocol to be uninspectable and AFAIK haven't made any guarantees about logging or whatnot that would enhance privacy vs. using whatever you are now. This just means you're trusting Cloudflare instead of Comcast or Google or whoever.
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1. otoburb ◴[01 Apr 18 12:40 UTC] No.16727969[source]▶
Cloudflare is making a public pronouncement that they're not going to sell your DNS data nor track your IP address, with the implication that they will also not use the usage data to upsell you services. That's about the only additional "privacy" edge they offer.

In the same breath, they insinuate that Google both sells and uses DNS usage from their 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 resolvers.

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2. heisenbit ◴[01 Apr 18 12:54 UTC] No.16728030[source]▶
They are NOT saying Google is lying and collecting the data. They are saying the business model of Google inherently provides such incentive.

Cloudflare is somewhat right: Means, Motive and Opportunity - but for a conviction you have to prove someone acted on the Opportunity. The Motive of Google is tampered with severe risk for loosing trust.

Cloudflare can make an argument they are fundamentally better positioned and that is all they do. As with all US based operations the NSA may cook up some convincing counterarguments and we may never know.

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3. Twisol ◴[01 Apr 18 12:58 UTC] No.16728041[source]▶
It's clear what you meant, but for whatever it's worth, I think the word you wanted was "tempered", not "tampered".
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4. wtmt ◴[01 Apr 18 14:13 UTC] No.16728362{3}[source]▶
For what it’s worth, you missed to point out “loosing” vs. “losing” in that comment (where it talks about “loosing trust”). :)
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5. bogomipz ◴[01 Apr 18 14:22 UTC] No.16728416[source]▶
>"They are NOT saying Google is lying and collecting the data."

The OP did not say that cloudflare is "saying" that. The OP very clearly said they are "insinuating" it. And yes under the heading "DNS's Privacy Problem" the post mentions:

"With all the concern over the data that companies like Facebook and Google are collecting on you,..."

I think that juxtaposition of this statement under a bolded heading of "DNS's Privacy Problem" is very much insinuating that.

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6. ocdtrekkie ◴[01 Apr 18 15:18 UTC] No.16728696{3}[source]▶
Bear in mind, Google's changed its mind before and can again at any time. For instance, when they bought DoubleClick they promised not to connect it with the Google account data they had. Then they changed that policy later.
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7. kentonv ◴[01 Apr 18 16:26 UTC] No.16729060[source]▶
> they insinuate that Google both sells and uses DNS

I don't think it's intended to say anything about Google specifically. Keep in mind that there are many other DNS services out there, and some of them are known for being pretty scummy, e.g. replacing NXDOMAIN results with "smart search" / ad pages.

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8. bogomipz ◴[01 Apr 18 17:00 UTC] No.16729257{4}[source]▶
That does not change the the fact that Cloudflare is insinuating something something about Google's DNS.
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9. bogomipz ◴[01 Apr 18 17:11 UTC] No.16729313[source]▶
>"I don't think it's intended to say anything about Google specifically"

Google is mentioned 13 times in this post and their resolvers 3. That's 16 total mentions of Google in their post.

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10. ocdtrekkie ◴[01 Apr 18 17:26 UTC] No.16729390{5}[source]▶
Is the suggestion that a company whose main business is targeting ads based on collecting data about you might be collecting data about you an unfair insinuation?
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11. bogomipz ◴[01 Apr 18 18:40 UTC] No.16729761{6}[source]▶
Please follow the thread - the question of whether an insinuation if "fair" is not what's being discussed. What's being discussed is whether or not Cloudflare said or insinuated that there were privacy concerns with using 8.8.8.8.
12. Twisol ◴[01 Apr 18 22:13 UTC] No.16730812{4}[source]▶
That looked more like a garden-variety typo than a bona fide eggcorn, so I gave it a pass ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggcorn

13. kentonv ◴[01 Apr 18 22:44 UTC] No.16730955{3}[source]▶
I was specifically referring to the statement that Cloudflare won't sell your DNS history.