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jstewartmobile ◴[] No.16406941[source]
I hate to have sympathy for the devil here, but I see their point.

Hackernews is living proof. Pre-election, you could voice a contrary opinion here and have a discussion. Post-election, even the faintest wrongthink shibboleth gets silently downvoted into oblivion.

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1. chappi42 ◴[] No.16407529[source]
It's the same in Germany. You voice that the many refugees (with often very conservative religious and patriarchal views) pose problems and, päng, you are a nazi.

A balanced discourse is (was) no longer possible. (It's getting a bit better again after some ramnifications became plain to see in some every-day situations).

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2. didibus ◴[] No.16407608[source]
Aren't there prerequisite to a discourse? Like all parties coming together with open minds. Having the intent to seek the truth, not an agenda to win. Using reason and rational thinking over your emotions.

I think lately we're not meeting those qualifications, so maybe it is best not to engage, since discourse would not be productive.

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3. praulv ◴[] No.16407609[source]
Shall we start with the harassment and domestic violence problem? Or do you want me to pull out the statistics on "native" European populations. At least they don't go shoot up schools....
4. muninn_ ◴[] No.16407639[source]
Which could be a fine solution, except one or more groups still are making rules which affect the lives of all of the other groups. So disengaging means letting other groups you may disagree with dictate parts of your life.
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5. blattimwind ◴[] No.16407905[source]
From my PoV it seems like this has mostly been sorted out by now.

While up to a ~year ago the position of "we must never ever put limits on immigration!" was hugely overrepresented in the media and by politicians. It became quite apparent that the majority of the populus does not support this stance, and that it's neither wise nor a good move to attempt the Nazikeule whenever anyone says something ever-so-slightly different from "we must never ever put limits on immigration!".

6. XorNot ◴[] No.16409019{3}[source]
Welcome to civil society. Learn to play ball and compromise since the alternative is from what those refugees are escaping.