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ve55 ◴[] No.16164829[source]
For those unaware, Bitconnect was a Bitcoin-based ponzi-scheme that had operated 'successfully' for quite some time. I don't say 'ponzi' as an insult in the way some do for cryptocurrencies, it was quite literally just a bare-bones ponzi scheme, where you deposit your money (Bitcoin) on their website, buy their token, 'lock' your funds for some amount of time, and you are promised very high interest rates while encouraged to re-invest your returns.

What has happened today is Bitconnect has closed the exchange on their website, and so users flocked to some of the only other exchanges (of dubious reputation, since no reputable exchange wanted to list the BitConnect coin) in order to sell their now-worthless tokens, resulting in losses of around 90% today: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitconnect/

Many famous Youtubers and other individuals with influence convinced hundreds of people to put their money into BitConnect in order to profit off of referrals, leading to a lot of unfortunate losses and a lot of delusion and misinformation among devoted investors. The general sentiment towards those that lost money due to BitConnect has been a mocking attitude in the cryptocurrency investment communities, as BitConnect has been referred to by many as a blatant ponzi scheme for months.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.16164865[source]
> Famous Youtubers and other individuals with influence convinced hundreds of people to put their money into BitConnect in order to profit off of referrals

If you lost money in this scheme and are in the United States or Canada, contact your state securities regulator [1]. Mention any such referral sources. Those individuals may be liable for securities fraud under state and federal law.

If you're in the United States, send a copy to the SEC [2]. If you lost more than a token amount, I would also recommend contacting an attorney.

[1] http://www.nasaa.org/about-us/contact-us/contact-your-regula...

[2] https://www.sec.gov/complaint/select.shtml

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

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closeparen ◴[] No.16165014[source]
Doesn’t fraud require deception? Wasn’t this pretty upfront about being a Ponzi scheme?
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Iv ◴[] No.16165061[source]
To have that line of defense, the youtubers would have had to phrase their claims very carefully. I am willing to bet a fistfull of dogecoin that this was not the case of all of them.

Make them discover these actions have consequences, I can only see good sides to this.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.16165228[source]
> the youtubers would have had to phrase their claims very carefully

Ponzi schemes are one of those things you can't disclose your way out of.

Sort of like HIPAA [1]. If you violate HIPAA, "we disclosed our non-compliance to the patient" is an inadequate--and borderline aggravating--excuse.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Insurance_Portability_a...

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

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aiCeivi9 ◴[] No.16166447[source]
Is disclosing yourself as not a lawyer enough to excuse from giving legal advice?
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daemin ◴[] No.16166817{5}[source]
I got told this from a friend that studied law (but is not a lawyer). That to put a disclaimer of "I am not a lawyer" when giving opinion about legal matters is so that they will not be prohibited from practising law in the future, or prosecuted for misrepresenting or impersonating a lawyer.

I guess someone that has studied law more or is an actual lawyer can weigh in on this in an unofficial capacity (because we are not paying them for advice!).

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1. TeMPOraL ◴[] No.16167102{6}[source]
I always assumed that the "this is not legal advice" part (and similarly, "this is not medical advice") are meaningfully used by actual lawyers (or doctors), so that you can't sue them for malpractice over something they said that was tangentially related to what they do for a living.
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2. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.16167253[source]
It’s less CYA than a reminder that one should seek legal advice if the subject matter is personally relevant. I would hate for someone, who watched a YouTube video and then lost more than they could afford to BitConnect, to mis-step because they mistook my Internet comments for authoritative advice versus banter and commentary.