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1024core ◴[] No.15752149[source]
Is she planning to run for Governor again?
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patorjk ◴[] No.15752267[source]
Some people think she may be thinking about running against Trump in 2020 - https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/21/kevin-oleary-thinks-meg-whit...
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junkscience2017 ◴[] No.15752362[source]
Silicon Valley is trending for like-ability about where Wall Street was in 2008. But of course she should run, as should Zuckerberg, Thiel, Altman etc because it would be a hoot watching them go down in flames.
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013a ◴[] No.15752744[source]
If Clinton's 9-figure campaign couldn't get a handle on what the average American voter wants from their government, it would be downright hilarious to watch someone from Silicon Valley try. The region is so far out of touch, they aren't even on the same planet.
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dragonwriter ◴[] No.15752931[source]
The problem wasn't Clinton's campaign, it was the candidate; it's amazing that a candidate that widely hated and whose negatives were rock solid from decades of political exposure still managed to get more votes than Trump, who came in with slightly higher negatives, but about whom voters had far less firm opinions.
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1. starik36 ◴[] No.15754091[source]
The conventional wisdom is that Bernie would have won the general election. I disagree with that - it's wishful thinking. His ideas might be palatable inside the democratic party, but I think he would have hard time pushing his ideas in the states that mattered.
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2. dragonwriter ◴[] No.15754220[source]
> His ideas might be palatable inside the democratic party, but I think he would have hard time pushing his ideas in the states that mattered

Sanders did better in primaries that allowed people outside the Democratic Party to vote and was throughout the election seasons (and remains, as of the last pollI saw earlier this year) the single most popular national political figure in the country. Every objective indication is that he would have done better than Clinton in “the states that mattered”.

In any case, much as one might prefer policy ideas to be decisive, elections are less about policy ideas and more about soft personal factors than people like to think.

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3. hilbertseries ◴[] No.15754826[source]
The opposition research against Sanders is brutal.

>Sanders’ 1985 trip to Nicaragua, where he reportedly joined a Sandinista rally with a crowd chanting, “Here, there, everywhere/ The Yankee will die.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/201...

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4. bonesss ◴[] No.15755116{3}[source]
At yet half the republican members of congress can wax poetic about the glorious, revisionist, legacy of the southern confederates and their lovely Yankee killing generals with a glint in their eye and not a hint of scandal...

I don't know how it's gonna happen, but I think the Dems really need to get to a point where they could accept someone with a history like GWB and his "youthful indiscretions" as a candidate. Purity is a hard thing to find in the world.

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5. starik36 ◴[] No.15755198[source]
Will never know. Keep in mind that only 28.5% of voters participated in primaries, so I am not sure the open primaries reasoning holds water. Plus, Trump also won more primaries when they were open. Precisely twice as often. https://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/22/trumps-big-advantage-open-pr...

Plus, Bernie wasn't attacked because of his policies because HRC's were similar. He would have been in the general election.

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6. devmunchies ◴[] No.15755695{4}[source]
Are you hearing yourself? Half of Republican Congress and their "southern" legacy? Firstly, none of that happened in any current living people's lifetime like with the example with the Nacaraguan sandistas. and secondly, saying that half of the Republicans congressmen are from the south sounds like hyperbole to me.

And about purity and electability, I thought someone like Mitt Romney was pretty pure but see where that got him.

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7. bonesss ◴[] No.15756016{5}[source]
sigh Yeah, I literally meant that exactly 50.0% of the republican delegation hails from the South...

Or, maybe, I was using colloquial language to describe 'a significant portion', in which case:

1) Didn't happen in our lifetimes? That makes willfully supporting and idolizing such blatant revisionism and racism _markedly worse_ than the example against Bernie, supporting my point quite resoundingly...

2) You are incorrectly presupposing that Republicans need to be from the south to wax poetic about the fictional "South"... The recent comments by General Kelly, born in Mass, about General Lee show otherwise. That identity came part and parcel with the Republican Southern Strategy, and has been a part of the right wing cultural identity ever since. This should be news to no one.

3) I listen to myself just fine. What are you even trying to say? ... Secessionists who killed Yankees and tried to destroy America are openly revered in public by major players in one party with little consequence, while incidentally being involved in _a_ chant _one_ time with a _hint_ of the same beliefs is seen as a death blow in the other party [aaaand this only if you completely ignore Americas contemporaneous relationship with the Contras, and who was behind that fiasco].

Mitt Romney is not a Democrat, which was the entire thrust of my (now down voted, because... facts...), post: Republicans gladly swallow things about candidates for the sake of their party that Democrats refuse to.

Roy Moore, for example, or Trump, or GWB (etc etc), continue with sustained polling numbers that 'The Left' would never provide after their scandals and behaviour. It creates asymmetric competition, and a massive disadvantage in terms of policy creation.

This is verifiable behaviour, and comes out quite clearly in the polling numbers between political demographics.

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8. cinquemb ◴[] No.15756496{6}[source]
>[aaaand this only if you completely ignore Americas contemporaneous relationship with the Contras, and who was behind that fiasco].

Yeah, I don't think most people (esp those who actually vote thinking that huge changes will happen to make their lives better by electing someone else and are on the fence) will look at some random smear piece on Their Candidate™ through this lens. If only we covered more of US historical/present foreign policy (and the perspective of the different powers/peoples at the time on issues) in public schools, though one would suspect that if lecture notes were posted online, some may get labeled as fake news, nor that the dog and pony show would have become what it is…

>Republicans gladly swallow things about candidates for the sake of their party that Democrats refuse to.

I think that in the most recent presidential election, it was the case that the DNC was already swallowing clinton, and had no space for sanders except to use him to attract those who couldn't swallow clinton, to swallow clinton.

9. dragonwriter ◴[] No.15756947{3}[source]
> Plus, Bernie wasn't attacked because of his policies because HRC's were similar

Yes he was, from the right, by Clinton—that was a key part of Clinton's primary campaign—and, no, they weren't that similar. But I agree that there would have been more focus on policy in a general election campaign with Sanders as the nominee, which would have been bad for Trump.

10. briandear ◴[] No.15757197{6}[source]
Democrats support FDR and he built internment camps. They praise Margaret Sanger and she supported Eugenics. The praised Robert Byrd and he was a KKK leader. C’mon everyone has baggage and no party is exempt from racism. Remember Hillary called young black men dangerous predators when supporting the crime bill in the 1990s. Let’s not conflate Robert E Lee with Republicans supporting slavery or racism.
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11. bonesss ◴[] No.15758819{7}[source]
I did no such thing, nor have I made any comment about baggage or exemption from history. The exact opposite: I pointed out that Dems need to be better at realizing that no one is pure and accepting less than perfect candidates...

Robert E Lee is a part of a confederate heritage fondly opined about by significant numbers of Republicans. That heritage has more than a little "Kill the Yankee" sentiment to it, right? That's a pretty objective fact, hence the double standard in the opposition research against Bernie, hence its use as an example.

To your secondary point: the verifiable fact that said heritage has been overtly reshaped into a modern fantasy by racists and racist organizations, its correlation to Jim Crow, its disingenuous hand-waiving about slavery, and its tight ties to the [Republican Southern Strategy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy) kinda sorta do mean that supporting, aggrandizing, or selectively portraying it beyond the limits of its historical boundaries is pretty darned supportive of racism. I think describing the common fellating of this anti-history from otherwise anti-minority, anti-immigration, anti-democracy, fundamentalists as 'waxing poetic with a glint in their eye' is putting is kindly and mildy.

Right wingers showing fondness for the Confederacy is hardly a secret... I mean, who signed all those bills and built all those statues?