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1024core ◴[] No.15752149[source]
Is she planning to run for Governor again?
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patorjk ◴[] No.15752267[source]
Some people think she may be thinking about running against Trump in 2020 - https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/21/kevin-oleary-thinks-meg-whit...
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junkscience2017 ◴[] No.15752362[source]
Silicon Valley is trending for like-ability about where Wall Street was in 2008. But of course she should run, as should Zuckerberg, Thiel, Altman etc because it would be a hoot watching them go down in flames.
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013a ◴[] No.15752744[source]
If Clinton's 9-figure campaign couldn't get a handle on what the average American voter wants from their government, it would be downright hilarious to watch someone from Silicon Valley try. The region is so far out of touch, they aren't even on the same planet.
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dragonwriter ◴[] No.15752931[source]
The problem wasn't Clinton's campaign, it was the candidate; it's amazing that a candidate that widely hated and whose negatives were rock solid from decades of political exposure still managed to get more votes than Trump, who came in with slightly higher negatives, but about whom voters had far less firm opinions.
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1. specialist ◴[] No.15753781[source]
Uh huh. Overt racism & sexism, foreign meddling, systemic disenfranchisement, Johnson & Stein pulling a Nader (+2m votes over 2012), $3b of free earned pro-Trump media, Comey’s sabotage, the electoral college, and 300k opioid addicts voting for the Big Chief were all totally irrelevant.

Nope. HRC was unlikeable. It’s all her own fault.

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2. passwordqq ◴[] No.15754650[source]
> 3b pro-trump media

Look up "wikileaks piedpiper candidate" and decide whose fault is it

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3. Mountain_Skies ◴[] No.15755710[source]
>300k opioid addicts voting

I'll ask the same thing I ask when people claim homeless citizens voting steals elections: why do you think opioid addicts do not have the right to vote? If they registered legally, why shouldn't they have the right to vote like everybody else?

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4. vturner ◴[] No.15756545[source]
> the electoral college

How inconvenient that the minority vote of states without mass populations centers is valued.

> Johnson & Stein

I voted for Johnson, it was not a "Nader." If we don't like the system, then we must force pressure upon it.

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5. dragonwriter ◴[] No.15757094[source]
Look, let's consider the 2000 election for a moment: Florida was both brought within distance for theft to matter by Nader votes and actually stolen, resulting in the Bush victory. But the only reason the results, in Florida or nationally, were close enough for any of that to matter was because the Gore made the incredibly moronic choice not only fail to leverage the fact that he was Vice President to the most popular outgoing President in the history of polling, but to top that off my spitting in the face of that with the Vice Presidential pick.

Similarly, yes, all those things you mention were part of the context in which the 2016 election occurred but they were decisive only because that Democrats picked the weakest possible candidate, with higher unfavorable ratings than any previous major party nominee, firm unfavorability because of decades of national political exposure, and relatively little experience as a candidate in electoral politics (having only served a couple terms as a Senator in a heavily-selling state coming in onethe coattails her husband's Presidential popularity; she'd never been in a campaign where she needed more than the approval of the Democratic establishment to win.) Clinton had the worst negatives that can come with long political exposure, without the strengths that come from long and relevant electoral politics experience.

And, no, it's not her fault, it's the Democratic establishment's fault. Clinton didn't have the choice to be herself or be someone else, the Democratic establishment did have the choice not to decide to go all in for Clinton even before other candidates were declared.

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6. jartelt ◴[] No.15758156[source]
States without mass population centers still get 2 senators, so they are valued, even without an electoral college...
7. specialist ◴[] No.15759091[source]
I’m for 100% enfranchisement. No taxation without representation.

I mention the opioid addicts specifically because their poster child Rush Limbaugh is a hard core fruit cake. I believe, but cannot yet prove, that pickling the brain turns people “conservative”, by which I mean absolutist and authoritarian.

8. specialist ◴[] No.15759132[source]
I respect your vote. But. Elections have consequences. Voting is a chess move, not a valentines.

And any viable new third party must be grown from the bottom up. That’s just how it works. If you want more choices, I encourage you to advocate for Approval Voting (as I do). First a little, than a lot.

9. specialist ◴[] No.15759141[source]
How about you just tell us.
10. specialist ◴[] No.15759256[source]
Mostly agree about 2000. I mostly blame Liebermann. And the Supremes.

re HRC and the DNC... That’s just not how it works. There is no monolithic “Democratic Party”. Just loose coalitions of power centers, big and small, that brand themselves as “Democrats.” And 1/2 of “party politics” is always the candidates parasitic relationship with the various interest groups, making promises to earn endorsements and contributions, to be forgotten once elected. Use them and then disgard them. There is nothing (comparable to the right) on the left where elected are held accountable to their constituents.

If voters want more choices, then they have to lower the barriers to entry, by (greatly) reducing the cost of campaigns. Public financing, restore fairness doctrine, time box campaigns season, universal voter registration, compulsory voting (most campaign money on the left is spent on GOTV), etc.