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fastball ◴[] No.14330444[source]
I rode for UberEats for two weeks and made roughly £22 an hour.

To be fair, this was when they were just coming into London and offering crazy bonuses to steal market share from Deliveroo, but still, this isn't controversial - if someone pays you bad wages, don't work for them...

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libeclipse ◴[] No.14330546[source]
That's some solid advice, but for some people, that's simply not an option.

If you can't find work elsewhere, you'd rather work for pennies than for nothing.

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Murkin ◴[] No.14330657[source]
So its better that Uber didn't offer this job at all?
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jacobr ◴[] No.14330678[source]
It would be better if they offered the job with reasonable wages and conditions. If consumers are not willing to pay enough for Uber to be able to offer this, they have a poor business model or are in the wrong market.

You could say the same about any regulation, if you cannot manufacture something at a reasonable price without polluting more than allowed, you need to change your prices or adjust your business model.

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Chris2048 ◴[] No.14330779[source]
> It would be better if they offered the job with reasonable wages and condition

Out would be better if kfc rained from the sky, but that's not an option.

Why is their business model "poor"? If prices go up, so will what is considered a "reasonable" wage. What's a "reasonable" skillset that an employee must offer to get such a wage.

Difference with pollution, is that its fine to just not pollute. Just not employing makes the situation worse.

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rocqua ◴[] No.14330869[source]
A business model that requires paying wages that you can't live on, it seems reasonable to call that business model a net loss for society.
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1. refurb ◴[] No.14331648[source]
Really? There isn't anyone out there looking for part-time work to supplement their existing salary?

Not everyone is looking for a full-time job.

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2. ddingus ◴[] No.14331974[source]
When the majority of new jobs do not pay living wages, this argument breaks down.

Sure, people want gig, part time work. They aren't the issue.

Over 40 percent of workers make minimum or below on gig wages.

The vast majority of new jobs pay these wages and they aren't enough. People work at a net loss, the impact being we, who can make it, subsidize the business models by social spending, and or people live terribly.

We aren't bankrolling good jobs lost. A majority of Americans struggle economically today, and those numbers are climbing.

The usual argument is it becoming cheaper to live. The reality does not align to that expectation.

We need to fix this. Either is fine. It really does become cheaper to live, or very large numbers of people need more from their labor, or we accept a much lower standard of living and tepid demand that goes along with all that.

Which is it, and how can we improve?

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3. Fnoord ◴[] No.14332353[source]
> Which is it, and how can we improve?

Minimum wage exists for a reason. Minimum wage is per hour. What we need is to have this type of employment to be illegal, and we need to have this actively enforced.

I find it mind boggling it still exists, and I suspect it is because of illegal immigrants falling for it. Incidentally, that's also why the reporter was so easily hired: there's a huge demand for low paid workers, but actually this is illegal competition with minimum wage workers.

If that cannot be worked with without increasing the cost of delivery the solution is very simple: increase the price of the food in combination with delivery. Let the customers pay a fair price for their food plus delivery instead.

Someone should also look into Amazon Mechanical Turk. It has the very same issue we discuss, but it has a benefit (for Amazon): its not specific to the physical world (like delivery) and is world-wide, and therefore can also exploit world-wide.

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4. Noos ◴[] No.14332572[source]
I want you to dig some ditches for me. It will take you one hour per ditch to do, with some fairly strenuous work. For doing this, I will pay you the grand amount of $5 a ditch.

Would you be jumping on the chance to supplement your income after a long 8 hour day? especially if i told you that you first needed to buy a shovel out of your own pocket, even though I'd let you dig up to four ditches a day?

5. ddingus ◴[] No.14336797{3}[source]
Yup. I'm in agreement.