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johnchristopher ◴[] No.14330947[source]
Push it a little bit harder and you are going to argue minimum wage is a stalinian horror.
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patrickaljord ◴[] No.14330953[source]
Nice refutation. Also, are you aware that minimum wages laws were originally designed to prevent low skilled blacks from competing on price with whites, right? Even to this day, minimum wage keeps minorities out of jobs. But if it makes you feel better at night that at least no one is payed $4 an hour, even if that means staying at home with $0 an hour.

For those downvoting, this is a historical fact:

- https://www.forbes.com/sites/carriesheffield/2014/04/29/on-t...

- http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0405-leonard-mini...

When you have no skills, you need to compete on price, that's just a fact of life. Preventing people from competing on price will keep them poor and unemployed. When this is done on purpose to racial minorities, it's called racism.

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johnchristopher ◴[] No.14331275[source]
> When you have no skills, you need to compete on price [..]

Since you like funky logic and straw man arguments I'll just point out that even people or business with skills have to compete on price therefore the rest of your rambling is moot.

(And I have been living my whole life in Western continental Europe so I don't see what the US segregation has to do with me being a racist because I support minimal wage)

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patrickaljord[dead post] ◴[] No.14331317[source]
> I don't see what the US segregation has to do with me being a racist

It makes you a racist because minimum wage laws have the same effect in Europe and keeps Muslims out of job (I know you're not being purposely racist, that's just a consequence of these policies you favour). As a son of a Syrian immigrant myself, I can see the devastating effect on my Muslims brothers minimum wage and high labor costs have on them, they are the poorest in Europe because they tend to be unskilled and cannot compete on price because of racist laws. Economic laws are universal and racists economic measures such as the minimum wage will have the same effect in the US or in Europe. There's no magic that will protect us from that.

1. johnchristopher ◴[] No.14331368[source]
If your Muslim brothers (and I am the racist one) are unskilled, not matter their price, they won't be able to compete for jobs. Because at some points the job has to be done. And that has nothing to do with racism.

Now explain to me how you went from minimal wages promoting racism to minimal wages promoting religion-based hatred ?

If you believe they don't have job because of minimal wages then maybe you ought to advice them to seek asylum in countries without minimal wages laws instead of trying to change them ?

The sad thing is you'd rather have everyone burning than considering the possibility that strike breaking and workforce dumping hurt everyone in the long term.

When an employer chooses a white man over a black/brown/fuschia man even though the wage it's the same then it's not the law that is racist. It's the employer.

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2. patrickaljord ◴[] No.14333453[source]
> When an employer chooses a white man over a black/brown/fuschia man even though the wage it's the same then it's not the law that is racist. It's the employer.

Yes, but where there is no minimum wage, the racist employer has to pay a price for being racist because people of color are selling cheaper labor than white people, so if racist employer wants to hire white people only he will have to pay a higher price. With minimum wage laws, racist employers don't pay a price for being racist because whites get the same minimum wage, this is why it encourages racism. Milton explains it best https://youtu.be/hsIpQ7YguGE?t=20