I spent two weeks delivering for Uber Eats and made $4.40 per hour

Nice refutation. Also, are you aware that minimum wages laws were originally designed to prevent low skilled blacks from competing on price with whites, right? Even to this day, minimum wage keeps minorities out of jobs. But if it makes you feel better at night that at least no one is payed $4 an hour, even if that means staying at home with $0 an hour.

For those downvoting, this is a historical fact:

- https://www.forbes.com/sites/carriesheffield/2014/04/29/on-t...

- http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0405-leonard-mini...

When you have no skills, you need to compete on price, that's just a fact of life. Preventing people from competing on price will keep them poor and unemployed. When this is done on purpose to racial minorities, it's called racism.

Thank you :).

FWIW: `Nice refutation.` were the only words of the original post I replied to.

Your points are only meaningful if you think the goal of life is to have a job. When you realize others have different goals, then you'll be getting somewhere. Are you aware that penicillin was discovered by accident therefore it must not work... that's the argument you're making; it doesn't matter why something started if it turned out to be valuable in the end.

My point is that if living (and surviving) requires resources and gathering these resources requires working, then preventing people from working will only make their lives worse.

> Are you aware that penicillin was discovered by accident therefore it must not work

I've read that three times and it still doesn't make sense to me. Most scientific breakthrough happen while working on something else yeah. What does that have to do with the minimum wage topic?

And my point is resources are the goal, not work; there are other ways of obtaining a minimum living wage that don't require working yourself to the bone for less than a livable wage. We have safety nets for a reason.

It has everything to do with the minimum wage topic, I took your argument and applied it to something else to show how absurd it was. It doesn't matter why minimum wages were originally created just as it doesn't matter how penicillin was discovered; they are both useful nonetheless.

> When you have no skills, you need to compete on price [..]

Since you like funky logic and straw man arguments I'll just point out that even people or business with skills have to compete on price therefore the rest of your rambling is moot.

(And I have been living my whole life in Western continental Europe so I don't see what the US segregation has to do with me being a racist because I support minimal wage)

> It doesn't matter why minimum wages were originally created

It does actually matter because minimum wages were created to prevent minorities from finding jobs and compete with whites, they still have the same effect today. That's why it still matters to understand why they were created, so you can understand the consequences they still have today. As a member of a minority myself (son of a Syrian immigrant), I find these racist minimum wage laws outrageous but maybe you're a privileged white unaffected by these laws and therefor cannot understand how bad it sucks to be unemployed and that most people would rather have a low paying job than stay home and do nothing which makes you feel useless and depressed and discourages you from finding a job.

If your Muslim brothers (and I am the racist one) are unskilled, not matter their price, they won't be able to compete for jobs. Because at some points the job has to be done. And that has nothing to do with racism.

Now explain to me how you went from minimal wages promoting racism to minimal wages promoting religion-based hatred ?

If you believe they don't have job because of minimal wages then maybe you ought to advice them to seek asylum in countries without minimal wages laws instead of trying to change them ?

The sad thing is you'd rather have everyone burning than considering the possibility that strike breaking and workforce dumping hurt everyone in the long term.

When an employer chooses a white man over a black/brown/fuschia man even though the wage it's the same then it's not the law that is racist. It's the employer.

I'm really struggling to understand how minimum wage laws would automatically exclude immigrant workers from getting a minimum wage job.

> It does actually matter because minimum wages were created to prevent minorities from finding jobs and compete with whites, they still have the same effect today.

I've already refuted that poor line of reasoning, I'm not going to revisit it, it's simply bad logic.

You're too hung up in your "racial" narrative to objectively see anything here. Because we don't agree you're presuming I'm a privileged white; I'm a first generation minority as well who grew up poorer than you have probably ever been and I still don't agree with you. Minimum wage is not racist, not remotely, but it's clear you're unable to see that so go ahead, keep that delusion and see where it leads you. You've done little but fling irrational arguments, straw men, and deflect whenever a point is made that doesn't agree with your narrative, so there's no intelligent conversation to be had; you think anyone who doesn't agree with you is a racist.

And by the way, there is meaning to be found in life outside of having a job; if there's a problem here, is that's you've been conned into thinking work defines who you are. Humans can be happy without a job, humans don't need jobs, they need meaning and that can be found in many other ways.

> When an employer chooses a white man over a black/brown/fuschia man even though the wage it's the same then it's not the law that is racist. It's the employer.

Yes, but where there is no minimum wage, the racist employer has to pay a price for being racist because people of color are selling cheaper labor than white people, so if racist employer wants to hire white people only he will have to pay a higher price. With minimum wage laws, racist employers don't pay a price for being racist because whites get the same minimum wage, this is why it encourages racism. Milton explains it best https://youtu.be/hsIpQ7YguGE?t=20

Not all of them, only the low skilled ones that people love to hate on.

First and foremost iSlam is not a race. Please stop promoting Muslim Brotherhood ideology on HN. If you're a troll, please stop trolling.