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saosebastiao ◴[] No.12306836[source]
Good. Block their deal, let them drop out of obamacare, and then give us the Single Payer that we've always deserved and watch those fuckers go bankrupt like they've always deserved.
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skylan_q ◴[] No.12306862[source]
i couldn't in any good conscience support single-payer or socialized medicine it's the same economic model that created breadlines
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vectorpush ◴[] No.12306874[source]
Can you elaborate on this reasoning?
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skylan_q ◴[] No.12306904[source]
free market systems are dynamic and adjustable to real-world inputs in a way that no planned system can match in terms of providing the most service/product to the most people.

what people really want when they push for socialized medicine is equality over improvement.

envy holds us back so much.

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bitwize ◴[] No.12306984[source]
Equality for all is much better than improvement for the 1% and misery for everyone else.

Read your Wilkinson and Pickett. Aside from perhaps the environment, equality is the political and economic issue that will shape the 21st century.

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skylan_q ◴[] No.12307010[source]
Equality for all is much better than improvement for the 1% and misery for everyone else.

Don't be dense. You know there are happy mediums.

* Read your Wilkinson and Pickett. Aside from perhaps the environment, equality is the political and economic issue that will shape the 21st century.*

I've read Pickett. Equality is horrifying. Eastern Europe is the result. The handicapper general is terrifying.

It's the end to any human greatness.

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vidarh ◴[] No.12307047[source]
Eastern Europe didn't have equality. It had less equality than Western Europe and the US - the party elite basically carved up their countries as fiefdoms.

To blame equality for problems caused by systems that never implemented anything like equality is quite bizarre.

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skylan_q ◴[] No.12307065[source]
It wasn't real socialism canard.

…the story about the two fellows in the Soviet Union who were walking down the street and one of them says: Have we really achieved full communism? Is this it? Is this now full communism?

The other one said: Oh no, things are gonna get a lot worse.

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1. vidarh ◴[] No.12307374[source]
Let us assume it was socialism for the sake of argument:

It doesn't matter. There provably wasn't equality.

So whether or not what they had was socialism (which, by the way, does not require equality in any case) is entirely irrelevant to the argument.