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saosebastiao ◴[] No.12306836[source]
Good. Block their deal, let them drop out of obamacare, and then give us the Single Payer that we've always deserved and watch those fuckers go bankrupt like they've always deserved.
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skylan_q ◴[] No.12306862[source]
i couldn't in any good conscience support single-payer or socialized medicine it's the same economic model that created breadlines
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1. vectorpush ◴[] No.12306874[source]
Can you elaborate on this reasoning?
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2. skylan_q ◴[] No.12306904[source]
free market systems are dynamic and adjustable to real-world inputs in a way that no planned system can match in terms of providing the most service/product to the most people.

what people really want when they push for socialized medicine is equality over improvement.

envy holds us back so much.

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3. vidarh ◴[] No.12306936[source]
That's great for the people with lots of money. Not great for the people who die or go bankrupt in the name of "improvement".
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4. bitwize ◴[] No.12306984[source]
Equality for all is much better than improvement for the 1% and misery for everyone else.

Read your Wilkinson and Pickett. Aside from perhaps the environment, equality is the political and economic issue that will shape the 21st century.

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5. skylan_q ◴[] No.12306985{3}[source]
Liberalize healthcare to allow anyone to provide it.

Did you know that before the AMA was created that doctors had to do house calls or face living in abject poverty as a result of the market being flooded with healthcare professionals?

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6. skylan_q ◴[] No.12307010{3}[source]
Equality for all is much better than improvement for the 1% and misery for everyone else.

Don't be dense. You know there are happy mediums.

* Read your Wilkinson and Pickett. Aside from perhaps the environment, equality is the political and economic issue that will shape the 21st century.*

I've read Pickett. Equality is horrifying. Eastern Europe is the result. The handicapper general is terrifying.

It's the end to any human greatness.

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7. bitwize ◴[] No.12307022{4}[source]
You mean snake oil salesmen?
8. vidarh ◴[] No.12307047{4}[source]
Eastern Europe didn't have equality. It had less equality than Western Europe and the US - the party elite basically carved up their countries as fiefdoms.

To blame equality for problems caused by systems that never implemented anything like equality is quite bizarre.

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9. skylan_q ◴[] No.12307065{5}[source]
It wasn't real socialism canard.

…the story about the two fellows in the Soviet Union who were walking down the street and one of them says: Have we really achieved full communism? Is this it? Is this now full communism?

The other one said: Oh no, things are gonna get a lot worse.

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10. vidarh ◴[] No.12307340{4}[source]
Given the appalling amount of quacks already providing "alternative" therapies that have no medical value: No thanks. I'd rather live a long, healthy life.

I find it almost comical that you want to opt for such an extreme measure rather than accept systems that have a proven track record of delivering much cheaper care.

And as I've pointed out: Both in Canada where you live, and in the UK where I live (as well as in unlikely places like China, which doesn't have a proper socialised healthcare system) you can pay to go private if you for some reason don't get to see a doctor fast enough, or isn't happy with the service. But at least in these countries there is something in place for those who can't afford to.

11. vidarh ◴[] No.12307374{6}[source]
Let us assume it was socialism for the sake of argument:

It doesn't matter. There provably wasn't equality.

So whether or not what they had was socialism (which, by the way, does not require equality in any case) is entirely irrelevant to the argument.