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takeda ◴[] No.11392296[source]
Surprised I don't see anyone else mentioning this.

This looks to me like typical Microsoft strategy that they utilized a lot 25 years ago.

1. when not leader in given market, make your product fully compatible with competitor

2. start gaining momentum (e.g. why should I use Linux, when on Windows I can run both Linux and Windows applications)

3. once becoming leader break up compatibility

4. rinse and repeat

Happened with MS-DOS, Word, Excel, Internet Explorer, and others.

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jupiter2 ◴[] No.11393276[source]
Thank you for mentioning this! Really bothered by all the positive comments, especially coming from savvy HN users.

Gave this a long look and my main beef is that I couldn't possibly do anything on a Windows Machine in its' current state. Linux isn't just about running apps - there's a philosophy behind the system. Users first!

As long as Microsoft continues to disrespect the rights of users in regard to privacy, data-collection, data-sharing with unnamed sources, tracking, uncontrollable OS operations (updates, etc) - I will never go near it.

I find it especially offensive that ex-open source and ex-Linux users (working for Microsoft) have the audacity to come on here and try to sell this as a 'Linux on Windows' system when most of what makes Linux special (respect for the user) has been stripped away.

It's like giving a man who is dying of thirst sea water.

Most comments here appear to be positive and that's fine... whatever. To anyone reading this... please don't sell your souls and the future of software technology for ease of use and abusive business practices. /rant

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city41 ◴[] No.11394793[source]
I think a key point that is being missed here is most of the people excited about this probably run OSX, not Linux. OSX has long been the "'Linux' for people who don't really want to run Linux" (not really meant as an insult, I'm typing this from OSX right now).

Apple is just as proprietary, commercial and anti-competitive as Microsoft here.

FWIW, this excites me because it potentially means I can go from two machines to one, and always have IE/Edge at my fingertips. It will greatly improve my dev workflow if it pans out like people are hoping it does.

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riotdash[dead post] ◴[] No.11395401[source]
"Apple is just as proprietary, commercial and anti-competitive as Microsoft here."

The big difference is that Apple actually doesn't fk their users in the ass.

People always complain how Apple products are so expensive etc. but you know that's how they make money and they actually invest in to the privacy and security of their users (good example: the FBI case)

I will happily keep on paying high price for the Apple products in the future too as long as all of my personal data is not being broadcasted to hundreds of spy servers, as long as random ads are not being slammed to my face while I'm developing and as long and I AM in the control of the OS and not the other way around. Maybe some people enjoy being slaves to MS but at least some people wanna decide THEMSELVES how their hosts-file work and when their computer should restart to install the updates.

I'm sorry but Microsoft has been, is and most likely will be horrible company in the future too. Unless they completely stop this BS and start to respect their users and keep it that way I can't believe any rational developer considers MS platform as an option.

eertami ◴[] No.11395838[source]
>I will happily keep on paying high price for the Apple products in the future too as long as all of my personal data is not being broadcasted

Yeah I'm sure all those celebs that had all their nude photos stolen from icloud would totally agree that Apple takes great care with personal data.

Are you trying to justify needlessly spending 600$ on a phone every year? That's your prerogative, you don't have to convince strangers on the internet.

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1. riotdash ◴[] No.11395872{3}[source]
"Yeah I'm sure all those celebs that had all their nude photos stolen from icloud would totally agree that Apple takes great care with personal data."

All systems have had and still have security flaws. There is a world of difference between having a unknown vulnerability (which affects and will affect all platforms) and intentionally spying on users and stealing their information.

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2. nxzero ◴[] No.11395999[source]
All systems have flaws at some point, but not all systems equal in terms of exploitable value for the effort.