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Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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djfm ◴[14 Nov 15 01:12 UTC] No.10563795[source]▶
I live in Paris and was spending the night in the middle of the hot zone. I was a few hundred meters from the Bataclan but fortunately the area I was in was spared. I tried to get a Uber but they were unavailable, "State of emergency, please stay home", the app said. I took a city bike home, rode about 10kms and barely saw anyone in the streets all the way home. It was really, really weird. I'm awfully sad that people can be proud of having killed a hundred innocents. I'm not afraid, I'm just terribly sad. Please stop this pointless killing.
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Fluid_Mechanics ◴[14 Nov 15 01:25 UTC] No.10563860[source]▶
If we didn't need to secure their oil by supporting/deposing despots in the region, and didn't want to provide the Israelis with military/political/financial support then we would not be dealing with any of this carnage.

Their attempts to fight back will only escalate the situation, and the carnage will continue.

Edit: I'm not advocating that we not support Israel. I'm simply stating a hard truth regarding "why they hate us".

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IvanDenisovich ◴[14 Nov 15 07:56 UTC] No.10564899[source]▶
So far Israel hasn't featured high on Isis' agenda, and there have been no significant isis attacks on Israeli targets. This is despite the fact that they almost share a border. Neither are Palestinians' rights a top priority for isis. What's left of the the residents of Yarmouk refugee camp will testify to that. In short, Isis is not about israel vs palestine, it's about a deeper social/religious clash of ideas. So maybe before you try to ratonalize isis, you actually read up on their core beliefs. You might find out that this is one murderous organization whose actions you can't blame on israel.
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threeseed ◴[14 Nov 15 08:34 UTC] No.10564964[source]▶
Exactly right. The plight of the Palestinians is a significant recruiting tool but that's all it is. ISIS has no plans to liberate them.

The purpose of ISIS is exactly what they say it is. To establish their own state governed by hard-right Islamic ideals. And the reason they have so much support is largely driven from the perceived persecution of Muslims worldwide e.g. xenophobia in Western countries, drone strikes on innocent civilians etc.

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jacquesm ◴[14 Nov 15 12:03 UTC] No.10565390[source]▶
I'm not too worried about ISIS running up against Israel, but I'm very worried about the connection between ISIS and Pakistan.
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mercurial ◴[14 Nov 15 14:09 UTC] No.10565711[source]▶
Is ISIS really linked to Pakistan? I understand there are strong suspicions of connections between Turkey and ISIS (at least pre-bombings). But I hadn't heard of a link with Pakistan until now. I thought Pakistani intelligence was happy coddling the "right" talibans and their home-grown anti-Indian terrorist groups. Do you have any evidence this connection?
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jacquesm ◴[14 Nov 15 14:16 UTC] No.10565724[source]▶
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2015/05/25/national/nato-say...

And a ton of other news articles on the same subject. Pakistan is super dangerous because it is not all that hard to imagine a number of groups within Pakistan switching allegiance. It is also super dangerous because it is a nuclear power and has a long history of factions inside it trying to pull Pakistan into a much more radical direction.

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mercurial ◴[14 Nov 15 14:44 UTC] No.10565818[source]▶
Didn't know about that. Now, that's not reassuring, considering that they make the child-killing Talibans look like moderates...
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1. jacquesm ◴[14 Nov 15 14:58 UTC] No.10565864{3}[source]▶
Yes. It's a huge problem, and it looks like it is getting larger by the day.